Do you reckon we should be telling players they're going to be released already? What happened to playing your way into a new contract?

I still have slim hopes that Richie will rediscover his Leeds form, or that Tim Smith will suddenly learn where the legs are located on the human body.

Maybe i'm dillusional...

Not saying your lying mate

No-one knows whether Hogan is telling the full truth though

Players coming off contract in 2009

George Carmont 2009 - Mutual option for 2010
Richie Mathers 2009 - Wigan option for 2010
Cameron Phelps 2009 - Wigan option for 2010
Tim Smith
Mark Flanagan
Phil Bailey
Karl Pryce
Andy Coley
Thomas Leuluai

Players coming off contract in 2010

Lee Mossop 2010 - Wigan option for 2011
Darrell Goulding - 2010 - option for 2011
Paul Prescott - 2010 - option for 2011
Mike McILorum - 2010 - option for 2011
Feka Paleaasina
Stuart Fielden
Sam Tomkins 2010 - Option for a third year
Harrison Hansen
Eamon O'carroll 2010 - Option for 2011 in Wigan's favour.

Players coming off contract in 2011

Mark Riddell
Gareth Hock
Pat Richards
Joel Tomkins

Players coming off contract in 2012

Sean O'loughlin
Amos Roberts

Academy Contracts

Chris Tuson
Sean Ainscough
Liam Farrell
Ben Davies
Ian Thornley

Roll on 2012

Ones in bold I would keep

2010 Should be the first year in recent memory imo when our entire off contract players are resigned!! All have a part to play in the squad and if the likes of Fielden can be resigned for fractions of their current salaries we will have done some very good business.

No way Glenn Hall he is average. He is the Aussie equivalent of Ricky Bibey.

We need a prop_

1- Steve Price
2- Andy Lynch
3- Mark O'Meley
4- Petro Civeniceva
5- Kylie Leuluai.

In that order go for them.

Also we need a stand off -

1- Darren Lockyer
2- Karmichael Hunt
3- Jamie Lyon
4- Thomas Bosc

I would make a play for Justin Hodges too as a right centre, its worth a go.

Fullback -

1- Sean Briscoe

I dont want Pat wasted at FB, if our half backs had half a brain as soon as we got in their 20 I would kick to the corner for Pate, nobody will out jump him and we would score every time, why dont they do that?

Surely Tommy's gotta stay hes one of our best players, get him resigned

Couldn't agree more

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Right so next season you want to sign-

Price
Lockyer
Hodges
Briscoe

You do realise Price is 35 and Lockyer is 32 don't you? How are they the answers to the problems we have? What do we do when they leave after two seasons? Sign another player for two seasons and keep switching it round? It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work again SHORT TERM FIXES ARE NOT THE ANSWER WE NEED CONTINUITY!! I'm sick of banging on about Leeds and Saints but the reason they have had the success they have had is they've got a HB pairing with talent which has been together for a number of seasons. It’s not rocket science in seeing what has been working over the course of SL and what hasn’t. We could potentially have one piece of the jigsaw in Tomkins sorted so lets look for another LONG TERM investment.

Hodges if available would be a good shout as he's a quality player but that doesn't always translate into doing it over here ala King. Still it maybe worth a punt? Lyon has to also be in the reckoning.

Why waste cap space on full back when we've got a new winger this season in Roberts on a FOUR year deal and Ainscough ripping it up? Which of these is gonna be wasted or dropped for Pat?

Next seasons recruitment is a major one and if done right could see us return to the top but if we continue down the road we’ve been down for a few years now of players like Fletcher, Moran, Withers, Millard and even Carmont and Trent we aren’t going to be able to see the consistency in our performances that settled teams have.