jonh wrote:
True but I also mean the players, they are 100 times better players than I am and can make decisions much quicker than I (I assume anyway) but many times this evening Wigan held the line instead of rushing up and cutting down the attacking options, OK thery may have been told to defend this way but as a player if what you're doing isn't working surely you take it upon yourselves to rectify this and change your tactics (with or without the coaches consent). I've been involved in games where the tactics employed by our coach were wrong, our captain has stood up and told us to change and things have improved, the coach was man enough to admit he was wrong and praised us as a group for sorting things out between ourselves. Everyone gets things wrong but its how you react to your failings and also admitting them that determines how good a coach you are, this in my opinion is where Noble fails, i get the feeling its my way or the highway with him but your senior players need to stand up and open their mouths in a way which does not undermine the coach, could Noble take it on the chin that he's got something wrong? do the players have the balls to question him?

Uptoncat wrote:
The players did a few times last year especially TB but they did not get the support.

Second bit in bold seems nailed on, Tomkins would never have got a chance without external issues.