Did he not lose his first game with Leeds or am I thinking of Murray against Cas in the CC at Headingley

Good point well made, me neither in that case.

It was Murray who started, and finished, his Leeds coaching career with defeats against Cas.

You are but just to confirm re Tony Smith at Leeds:

TS..... 22-Feb-04..... 09 - 01..... Won 58 - 14..... Leeds Rhinos V London Broncos
TS..... 29-Feb-04..... CC - 04..... Won 18 - 68..... Workington Town V Leeds Rhinos
TS..... 7-Mar-04..... 09 - 02..... Won 8 - 34..... Castleford Tigers V Leeds Rhinos
TS..... 13-Feb-04..... CC - 05..... Lost 24 - 14..... St Helens V Leeds Rhinos

Here's one after a change of coach in this fixture:

DP..... 12-Apr-01..... 06 - 05..... Lost 36 - 6..... Warrington Wolves V Leeds Rhinos

Tony Smith is a great quality coach, as we all know, and i hope he does a good job at Warrington... after sunday.

Thought it was Murray as didn't we only lose 2 SL games in Smith's 1st season (Saints away and ?) although weren't there 2 draws with Wigan. Just couldn't remember who knocked us out of CC and whether this still started pre season at the time.

Sean Long?

The two draws with Wigan season was 2003 under Powell.

The dropped points in the 2004 League campaign:

TS..... 30-Apr-04..... 09 - 09..... Lost 56 - 10..... St Helens V Leeds Rhinos
TS..... 19-Jun-04..... 09 - 15..... Lost 26 - 22..... Wigan Warriors V Leeds Rhinos
TS..... 18-Jul-04..... 09 - 19..... Drew 36 - 36..... London Broncos V Leeds Rhinos
TS..... 3-Sep-04..... 09 - 26..... Drew 12 - 12..... Wigan Warriors V Leeds Rhinos

You've already had the CC defeat at St Helens so:

TS..... 2-Oct-04..... PO - QSF..... Lost 12 - 26..... Leeds Rhinos V Bradford Bulls

Rounds it off. What an awful first season in charge.

already been done

there is no relegetion