Or 'what goes around comes around'?

Dont see were your coming from with this, i have never and will never shout down somebody's opinion, neither do i call people "Stupid" "Thick" or whatever other word you want to use, i simply give my opinion.

On the other hand a number of people on this forum feel the need to do exactly what Ive stated above and it's acceptable for some reason, that's what were getting at.

My 2 penn'eth worth..

The main thing that any Wire coach can do now is try an get to the bottom of why this current batch of players simply DO NOT GET ON WITH EACH OTHER!
This my sound overly simplistic but judging from their general demeanour and body language their appears to be no camaraderie/team-spirit whatsoever.
For example when Wakey were defending their try-line early in the 2nd half they were constantly putting their bodies on the line to stop our players from breaking through. When our set of six was repelled they were all geeing each other up/ shouting encouragement to each other, they genuinely seemed to be all signing from the same hymn sheet and more importantly RESPECTED each other as players who were doing a great job!
The comparison to Wires attitude is startling, their seems to be inherent cliques forming in the side which when applied to a TEAM sport like RL is very very damaging.
I don't believe it's fitness, I don't believe these players have forget how to play RL, in many respects I don't believe it is purely down to poor coaching, however as previously stated I really do believe that it is because there is no TEAM ethos amongst these players for what ever reason and it's this that needs addressing as a matter of urgency!

No different then to when Gee, Langer and Nikau where here.

Good point G - perhaps we should start recruiting players to do a job rather than bringing in the big names to satisfy the ego of the owner and indeed the fans.

Compare our star studded first choice team and compare to the journeymen pros that turn out for Catalan and Wakefield and Huddersfield and Hull KR and continually out-enthuse us.

Agreed but surely the answer would be to bring a big enough personality in as a coach who can get the star players to also perform with commitment and enthusiasm?

Agreed, this must be the case. My fear is these type of coaches are few and far between. And who of those who do fit the criteria are currently un-employed?!!! It's going to be a long season.....

2009's Clique of the year award goes to...

If I were coach, sacking Lowes would be loving pointless and a stupid isea, as I was already coach (presumably Lowes had gone).

Anyway.

I'd move Briers & Monas back to their normal sides so at least we'd score a few more. I'd change the defensive structure to the Aussie one that their national side use & the same one that Manley loved Leeds with.

I'd play with an interchange hooker. Higham as good & effective as he is, is a walking penalty factory when he's knackered. Lastly I'd ban all other players talking to the press other than Captain or vice Captain. And then only when they're fully aware of club guidelines on what can be said.