Walt Mooney Fan Club wrote:Lets break that down, and look at trophies won during the two clubs period of domination in football:
Liverpool (1972-1990)
League titles 11 Euro Cups 4 (won over a nine year period.....and 2 Uefa cups as well) F.A cups 4
Man. U (1992-date)
League titles 10 (could be 11 by season end) Euro Cups 2 (over same nine year period.....CWC won pre 1992) F.A. cups 4 (could be 5)*
Everyone s forgetting Liverpool stuffed up everyones chance of European trophies over a period of time when their idiotic fans managed to get British clubs banned from Europe, Im certain that following Year Everton would have won something. That breaks down as 18 to (potentially) 17......you're still behind!!
And should we even include the FA Cup in "trophies that matter"??
Seem to remember United not being that concerned about the history and tradition of the FA cup a few seasons back!!
Reg wrote:I'll tell you what pressure is. "Grand final, only seconds to go, and a field goal attempt with a split testicle and your shoes on the wrong feet."
He's neck scars proves he's lost his head Tevez, Tevez
He'll never have a sexy bird Tevez, Tevez
The argy lover, the ugly ****, they sewn his head on back to front
Carlos Tevez, herman munster head.
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mutt1 wrote:Same old Liverpool fans always living in the past
Not a Liverpool fan Mutt........just another "ABU" who knows that the history of sport did not begin with SKY TV!!
Bolton by birth,
Irish by blood,
LEYTHER by heart and soul!!
BBC Sport wrote:30/04/06 "Some of W*gan's travelling fans headed towards the exit before it was even over.".................no change there then!!
Wembley71 wrote:.....They are our people. Drummond, Costello, Manfredi, Svabic, Martyn, Street, Tickle, Patel, Mossop, Horo, Bristow, Leuleui, Varley, Fleary, Rivett, Tabern, Doran, Woods, Donlan, Wilshire, Leaefa, Hansen, Sale, Murphy… these are all my people. As a Leyther, you’re one of us the moment you come here to wear the shirt. I don't care where you were born, what colour you are, what religion you are, what language you speak. You're one of us, part of our culture, writing our history as you create your own, and making us stronger for it....
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Dick Jones wrote:As I said earleir someone team could have overtaken them if they didnt get us all banned from Europe for years.
Think you'll find that was caused by a moronic element of the fanbase, poor crowd management by the Belgian Police, and a stadium that was both out-moded and inadequate for such a prestige event - hardly fair to blame Liverpool Football Club for the events at Hysel !!
Anyway - don't think there was much danger of United missing out on anything (apart from '86 Cup Winners Cup) - they didn't start winning the league until after the ban was lifted!!
The clubs that really could feel aggrieved were:
Everton - who would have been a 'shoe in' for European Cup in '86, and maybe '88.
Arsenal - missed out on European Cup, Uefa Cup, and Cup Winners Cup opportunities while the ban was in place
Wimbledon, Coventry, Norwich, Luton, & Oxford - 'Cinderella' clubs who all missed out on the opportunity to play in Europe.
Bolton by birth,
Irish by blood,
LEYTHER by heart and soul!!
BBC Sport wrote:30/04/06 "Some of W*gan's travelling fans headed towards the exit before it was even over.".................no change there then!!
Wembley71 wrote:.....They are our people. Drummond, Costello, Manfredi, Svabic, Martyn, Street, Tickle, Patel, Mossop, Horo, Bristow, Leuleui, Varley, Fleary, Rivett, Tabern, Doran, Woods, Donlan, Wilshire, Leaefa, Hansen, Sale, Murphy… these are all my people. As a Leyther, you’re one of us the moment you come here to wear the shirt. I don't care where you were born, what colour you are, what religion you are, what language you speak. You're one of us, part of our culture, writing our history as you create your own, and making us stronger for it....
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Walt Mooney Fan Club wrote:Think you'll find that was caused by a moronic element of the fanbase, poor crowd management by the Belgian Police, and a stadium that was both out-moded and inadequate for such a prestige event - hardly fair to blame Liverpool Football Club for the events at Hysel !!
Anyway - don't think there was much danger of United missing out on anything (apart from '86 Cup Winners Cup) - they didn't start winning the league until after the ban was lifted!!
The clubs that really could feel aggrieved were:
Everton - who would have been a 'shoe in' for European Cup in '86, and maybe '88. Arsenal - missed out on European Cup, Uefa Cup, and Cup Winners Cup opportunities while the ban was in place Wimbledon, Coventry, Norwich, Luton, & Oxford - 'Cinderella' clubs who all missed out on the opportunity to play in Europe.
I've spoke about this with mates (some liverpool fans) many times and it'd have been interesting what we could have won in the early 90's if we didn't have the import rules at the time. I rememeber the "three foreigners rule" which ment we had to pick three from the likes of Peter Schmeichel, Denis Irwin, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, and Andrei Kanckelskis who were 5 of our most important players at the time we were dominating our domestic league who never really got the chance to compete together in europe. Move forward 10-12 years and Liverpool only had 3 british players in there 16 man squad when they won it in 2005 and they had to reley heavely on non English players in the 70's-80's.
As for the events at Hysel it was the Liverpool fans who charged at the Juve fans with metal bars not the police which lead to the wall to colapse (gonna open a can of worms here) same as at Hillsborough in 1989 when 3000 fans turned up without tickets and forced there way into the stadium grounds forcing the police to open a gate at the Leaping lane end of the ground to prevent injurys being caused by the crush outside the ground, yes there were things the police could have done by opening other gates to spread the crowd around the ground but hindsights a wonderfull thing. Then we move onto 2006-07 when Liverpool fans were beaten up and robbed in the streets for there tickets and i rememeber reading in the papers about fans being taken to hospital after being crushed at turnstyles by fans pushing there way into the stadium without tickets which again the police were blamed by the fans. Surly at somepoint they will have take a step back and start taking some of the blame.
Reg wrote:I'll tell you what pressure is. "Grand final, only seconds to go, and a field goal attempt with a split testicle and your shoes on the wrong feet."
He's neck scars proves he's lost his head Tevez, Tevez
He'll never have a sexy bird Tevez, Tevez
The argy lover, the ugly ****, they sewn his head on back to front
Carlos Tevez, herman munster head.
So did Utd only have the limit on foreign players. Did not know that, so you make fair point
The rest of your post is just cr@p mate. Hillsborough was a terrible day for football/sport - don't like the red scousers myself but I do remember the Kippax putting rivalry to one side by singing "Walk alone" in great voice in rembering what happened at home game after it. Fans travel in their thousands to big events without tickets now - difference is the police are organised and prepared unlike Hillsborough
Heysal was also cr@p what you say. Its up to the police to make such events safe from the the small minority idiots.
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