Joined: Aug 10 2005 Posts: 2082 Location: Washing the sheets
Dave T wrote:You can't 'quite clearly' see it, that is the point. I have no doubts whatsoever that if he was sledging he would have given him the facial, but he held his hand back, and I read that as he realises something is wrong.
Dave T....So do you reckon he is just whispering sweet nothings to the guy???...
Dave T wrote:Think you are out of order with this post. You say he did it on purpose, but don't take into account that Westwood's head is well to the side, so he is not looking at the player he is tackling. Westwood tackles like this a lot, he has a very aggressive style and often jumps off the ground, hitting them around the chest and putting themon their ar$e. ?
The fact is he was set, well balanced and still did it. It was IMO on purpose. He wasnt wrong footed, stepped etc...
Dave T wrote:I still haven't seen any evidence of him sledging the player. Have you?
Although you are correct in saying that we dont know what was said you are being extreemly charitable in what you think he was doing. IMO he looked aggressive when he leant over at first.
Joined: Sep 26 2006 Posts: 10645 Location: Killing the Ball!
saintc wrote:why
he jumped up and swung at his head. It wasnt mis-timed it was on purpose. After this he did rant at the guy on the ground. I really dont know how you can defend him TBH.
Would suggest that the aim was to rough the big pack up, however was poorly executed and these things need to be dealt soon as possible.
saintc wrote:why
he jumped up and swung at his head. It wasnt mis-timed it was on purpose. After this he did rant at the guy on the ground. I really dont know how you can defend him TBH.
Joined: Aug 06 2003 Posts: 5952 Location: Edinburgh
saintc wrote:Although you are correct in saying that we dont know what was said you are being extreemly charitable in what you think he was doing. IMO he looked aggressive when he leant over at first.
No, I'm not saying we don't know what was said. I'm saying we don't know that he said anything, as the shot was of the top of Westwood's head. People are just assuming he was sledging him.
The reason I am questioning this is due to the fact he didn't give the facial when it originally looks like he is going to. That makes me suspect that he realises the player is unconscious.
Also, when the pushing & shoving starts, he doesn't do much. When Westwoods pumped, he'll go after anyone. I think he knows from the point of impact it's a bad one. On top of that, the TV footage of the blokes head hitting the floor, I can only imagine the thud it will have made, I think Westwood knows it's a real bad tackle, bends over the top of him (all you can see on TV is his mop, no sound, nor can you see any face to 'lip read') and is about to draw attention to the injury, ie, players are applauded for their quick thinking in calling help etc. As he bends over, he's pushed & shoved by angry Catalans players, with justification.
You'll not hear me say In my opinion, the tackle is anything less than a four match ban, but I'll stick up for Ben in that I think people are jumping on the bandwaggon a tad with this growling, 'lack of remorse' thing. There's not one angle shows him giving him a verbal, so it's pure speculation. If it was somebody else, we'd get 'He's not that type of player'.
Joined: Dec 03 2004 Posts: 1672 Location: warrington
5-6 game ban, big fine and a apology to Carlaw. Total sh*thouse cheap shot, wouldn't bother me if he didn't play for us again, i don't mind people playing the game hard but what Westwood did was just thuggery.
Joined: Aug 06 2003 Posts: 5952 Location: Edinburgh
The Punisher wrote:5-6 game ban, big fine and a apology to Carlaw. Total sh*thouse cheap shot, wouldn't bother me if he didn't play for us again, i don't mind people playing the game hard but what Westwood did was just thuggery.
It was a high tackle, calm down.
Those people who think this was intentional, do you also think it was intentional when he went for a big hit on Fozzard and ended up bashing his face and knocking himself out?
These things happen, it is a fast, tough game.
He will get a ban, and he should get back in the team. We want players to try 100%, well in Westwood that is exactly what you get, but from time to time, things go wrong.
The Punisher wrote:5-6 game ban, big fine and a apology to Carlaw. Total sh*thouse cheap shot, wouldn't bother me if he didn't play for us again, i don't mind people playing the game hard but what Westwood did was just thuggery.
Yes well done let us pursue a witch-hunt against a player who has been our most consistent performer for years and has simply made a mistake.
There is much worse going on in games all the time.
Joined: Oct 11 2004 Posts: 4878 Location: Stalking Matt King
mark_m wrote:Yes well done let us pursue a witch-hunt against a player who has been our most consistent performer for years and has simply made a mistake.
There is much worse going on in games all the time.
Well said Mark....not condoning what Benny did, but good grief talk about going OTT..
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