FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home St. Helens English Rugby union hampered by salary cap!



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 35 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:07 pm 
Club Owner
Club Owner

Joined: May 24 2006
Posts: 22777
Saddened! wrote:And have a 'Super 6' competiton when half the teams go to the wall?

The vast majority of poorly run Super League clubs lose hundreds of thousands per season, giving them room to spend more would risk the future of those clubs.

You have to remember that the salary cap was introduced purely as a reaction to League's most famous club, Wigan RL spending themselves into bankruptcy. Letting clubs spend more would just mean adding £Xm to the bottom line losses.


editted for accuracy






//www.pngnrlbid.com

bUsTiNyAbALLs wrote:Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.


vastman wrote:My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:06 pm 
International Board Member
International Board Member
User avatar

Joined: Jul 10 2003
Posts: 29214
Location: Warrington
SmokeyTA wrote:editted for accuracy


The list would run to every club bar Leeds I would suspect?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:18 pm 
International Chairman
Fringe Player

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 870
Rogues Gallery wrote:What he said is that Superleague Clubs should be allowed to sign top class Rugby Union players (if they wanted) up to a maximum of one per team.

Only £50K of their salary would be counted on the cap, the rest funded from sponsorship.

So the Superleague club in fact only risks £50K per year, but it has to find sponsorship for the rest.


It is an interesting idea which I thought was completely bonkers when I first heard it. I am not sure how it would pan out though as even with sponsorship I can't see how top quality international players could be tempted to leave now that Union players earn the money they do.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:47 pm 
International Chairman
International Board Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 27757
Location: In rocket surgery
Rogues Gallery wrote:I'm not saying Nobles idea is perfect, it certainly isn't, but let's not just throw it out without decent debate, clarification and if necessary amendment.


1. RU backs are no better than what we have currently and I would say they're actually worse.

2. Noble is getting the excuses in already because he knows the game has moved on from his coaching techniques.

3. It says a lot about his faith in Wigoon's youth policy if he feels that he should be turning towards RU to be a success.






An Ode to Sepp Blatter

Dadbod

Next In Line To The Throne

St Helens and a Fitting End to a Season of Unsung Heroes

Follow my wisdom on Twitter

Top 100 films of the 00s - The Top 5

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:10 pm 
International Board Member
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Sep 11 2002
Posts: 2570
Location: In my Volvo XC90
Are there any players in RU better than we already have in RL. If there are they are certainly not worth spending huge sums on.
RL wants to concentrate on it`s own youth policy, as we have the talent in our own backyard.






[img]//www.rlfans.com/images/sigs/giantscorpio.gif[/img]

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:19 pm 
Player Coach
Junior Player
User avatar

Joined: Jan 15 2009
Posts: 132
rlcoach wrote:It is an interesting idea which I thought was completely bonkers when I first heard it. I am not sure how it would pan out though as even with sponsorship I can't see how top quality international players could be tempted to leave now that Union players earn the money they do.


Players will always go where the money is, if the biggest money was at League clubs players would come across, but it's not so they won't

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:26 pm 
Club Owner
Club Owner

Joined: May 24 2006
Posts: 22777
Saddened! wrote:The list would run to every club bar Leeds I would suspect?


and Hull, and Saints most probably would be profit making now, had it not been for the poor administration prior to Mcmanus

id expect both Wire and Hudds to be in a position to take advantage of nobles idea easily aswell

also id say clubs like Wakefield would find it easier to find a sponsor willing to get their name in the paper by spending £300k on a marquee player than they would getting someone to invest in their business






//www.pngnrlbid.com

bUsTiNyAbALLs wrote:Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.


vastman wrote:My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:29 pm 
Club Owner
Club Owner

Joined: May 24 2006
Posts: 22777
McClennan wrote:3. It says a lot about his faith in Wigoon's youth policy if he feels that he should be turning towards RU to be a success.


probably all clubs should feel the same, in the 13th year of SL no british club has produced a world class back 5 player,

Englands best two wingers, and best two centres of the last probably 10 years havent come from the british RL system, no club has managed to bring through a back 5 player of real quality at all in SL






//www.pngnrlbid.com

bUsTiNyAbALLs wrote:Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.


vastman wrote:My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:31 pm 
International Chairman
International Chairman
User avatar

Joined: Oct 17 2002
Posts: 32358
Giantscorpio wrote:Are there any players in RU better than we already have in RL. If there are they are certainly not worth spending huge sums on.
RL wants to concentrate on it`s own youth policy, as we have the talent in our own backyard.


Well where is it?
I'll ask the question again, how many top class backs have we produced since Superleague was instigated.

There's nobody more supportive of young players than I, regardless of who they play for, but the plain fact is that there is not enough quality coming through


Are there any better players in Rugby Union

The answer to that is we don't know.


Look at the Wales backline in 1995
Harris, Devereaux, Gibbs, Bateman, Sullivan, Davies and Ellis.

Five of those came from Rugby Union.

Are you telling me that they would not benefit Rugby League and GB team.

I don't think the idea should dismissed out of hand without a decent discussion or proposed amendments.






SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS

For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.

For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.

Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:21 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 22 2006
Posts: 1507
Rogues Gallery wrote:Well where is it?
I'll ask the question again, how many top class backs have we produced since Superleague was instigated.

There's nobody more supportive of young players than I, regardless of who they play for, but the plain fact is that there is not enough quality coming through


Are there any better players in Rugby Union

The answer to that is we don't know.



Look at the Wales backline in 1995
Harris, Devereaux, Gibbs, Bateman, Sullivan, Davies and Ellis.

Five of those came from Rugby Union.

Are you telling me that they would not benefit Rugby League and GB team.

I don't think the idea should dismissed out of hand without a decent discussion or proposed amendments.


Which rugby union players would you take ?

Certainly none from the English RU - there backs are quite frankly sh*te!! Sackey, Tindall. Noon etc... would all make very average rugby league players.

The only players that are worth signing are a few Aussies, Kiwis and Brian Habana of South Africa. However none of the southern Hemisphere players like leaving there countries because they then give up playing for their countries.

It;s a sh*t idea and rather pathetic, just play young lads like Ainscough - give them time andwatch them Flourish FFS!!

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 35 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next





It is currently Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:00 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 26 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

It is currently Sun Dec 01, 2024 7:00 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Ground Improvements
PopTart
240
10m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
10
10m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2638
32m
Film game
Boss Hog
5907
54m
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
60m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Vic Mackie
549
Recent
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
Recent
2025 COACH Brad Arthur
Vic Mackie
257
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
1m
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2638
1m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
10
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
4059
1m
New signings
WelshGiant
13
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
Rumours and signings v9
NSW
28912
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
3m
Recruitment rumours and links
Smiffy27
3555
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Jake the Peg
7
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 16 538 188 350 30
Sheffield 15 404 251 153 22
Toulouse 15 410 214 196 21
Bradford 15 355 244 111 19
Widnes 15 361 281 80 17
Featherstone 15 410 289 121 16
 
York 16 366 305 61 14
Batley 15 239 322 -83 14
Doncaster 15 257 368 -111 13
Swinton 15 318 366 -48 12
Halifax 15 276 419 -143 10
Whitehaven 15 290 458 -168 10
Barrow 14 217 415 -198 10
Dewsbury 16 196 473 -277 2
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Ground Improvements
PopTart
240
10m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
10
10m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2638
32m
Film game
Boss Hog
5907
54m
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
60m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63302
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Vic Mackie
549
Recent
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
Recent
2025 COACH Brad Arthur
Vic Mackie
257
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
1m
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2638
1m
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
10
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
4059
1m
New signings
WelshGiant
13
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
26
3m
Rumours and signings v9
NSW
28912
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40837
3m
Recruitment rumours and links
Smiffy27
3555
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
Jake the Peg
7
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
27
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
Vic Mackie
19
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Smiffy27
20
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.