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| Quote StarbugQuote Starbug="Starbug"Do coaches improve when you pay them more money ?
Or do your well paid coaches get to work with lots of the best paid juniors in you're expensive facilities
So yes if you increase the amount of numbers you start with and increase the amount of money you can offer them , and the amount of money you can offer to a higher number of coaches per player [ not forgetting your expensive grass and cones then with a bit of luck a high profile club will produce more better quality junior RL players than another club of lower standing
So we seem to have a reccuring theme here ?
MONEY
And how do you get money playing RL ?
By having a successful 1 st team that brings in gate reciepts and sponsorship
Chicken and egg springs to mind '"
all this would be relevant if we were talking massive amounts of money, we arent, it is relatively small amounts,
leeds and saints arent successful at bringing through youngsters because they are rich and high profile, they are succesful at doing it because they employed good quality people,
in early 2000's Leeds werent of the stature they are now, they werent 3 times champions they were perenial under acheivers, they werent as big or well attended as they are now and they werent splashing the cash,
they put a plan in place, they followed it, they invested in youth and it has paid hefty hefty dividends, we spent two or three years slightly worse than we could have been, and have spent the last 5 being better than we otherwise would, people clamoured for us to lose JJB, Burrow, Diskin, fans shouted for another superstar aussie to come in,
There was a couple of years of Hetherington out, and Caddick out, people banging on about how they were putting the RU side first, when this was put in place it wasn’t popular and it wasn’t immediately successful, don’t pretend it was easy because it wasn’t, it was fantastic work, in difficult circumstances, but it was the right thing to do
Quote Starbug4 seasons ago HKR ditched thier academies and concentrated on the 1 st team
So maybe the chicken did come first this time , and given time i'm sure it will lay some eggs'" '" And they shouldn’t have been allowed to do this, it is counterproductive and makes it harder for other clubs to make the change to relying on british players, | | |
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| Quote Banger="Banger"Champions of junior development? Champions of dummy spitting more like! I hope the next generation of Saints 'stars' don't develop the 'Wellens dummy spit'. If the refs don't stamp it out now we'll end up like football, aren't you supposed to be sent to the bin for throwing a tantrum at the ref?'"
Would you like that applied to Warrington too, who received a warning from the ref last night for whinging about loads of decisions? 
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Can I just say, anyone that thinks Hull KR won't be chucked out of SL because they bring a lot of away fans is an idiot.
Hull KR aren't exactly a big draw. They don't get fans thinking "ooh, Hull KR, this is a must watch game". They may bring a lot over, but I reckon a fair few of the floating home fans won't give a cr*p about a game against Hull KR and will probably stay home.
I aren't saying it isn't good that Hull KR bring a lot of fans away with them, by the way. I'm just saying it is not really significant at all, especially in the franchise decisions. And especially when you look at things like sponsorship, media coverage, etc. of the league. Away fans at one game is pocket-change to clubs that can turn-over millions.
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"Can I just say, anyone that thinks Hull KR won't be chucked out of SL because they bring a lot of away fans is an idiot.
Hull KR aren't exactly a big draw. They don't get fans thinking "ooh, Hull KR, this is a must watch game". They may bring a lot over, but I reckon a fair few of the floating home fans won't give a cr*p about a game against Hull KR and will probably stay home.
I aren't saying it isn't good that Hull KR bring a lot of fans away with them, by the way. I'm just saying it is not really significant at all, especially in the franchise decisions. And especially when you look at things like sponsorship, media coverage, etc. of the league. Away fans at one game is pocket-change to clubs that can turn-over millions.'"
But will they be chucked out of SL because they are not the best development club in the world either ?
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