I will settle for 4 and take it from there.

And I thought I was an optimist.

You should go on the Wigan board, they are all ready for cutting their wrists too.

But if we do that then whats the reason we cant win the GF? When you get to a Final then anyone can win, its just a game of 17 a side, ask New Zealand, ask Sheffield, ask Saints/Leeds

I really don't get that, if Saints end up top of pile _and_ win the CC they would be way odds on to win the GF

I will settle for beating Warrington for starters!

Dont worry mate you will find it when you eventually get there its in the same place as the old Empire Stadium.

dont agree with this at all. we are weak in the centres, we have great young talent but lack big game experiance. if senior is injuried(which he is for tonights game against wakey) its ablett back in the centre or watkins and gibson which looks like a great future pairing but need time.

we have also lost ellis and it will take time for our new signings to gel.

i agree that we need to win something, at least one of the two main trophies, again i would prefer the GF but the cup final is always a top day out. to say anything less than a clean sweep is failure for leeds is not true. no club has done it yet and this is not a complete team yet. so if leeds manage to do it, it will be really something to savour though i think in the modern game its pretty unlikley

grand final and beat wigan at murrayfield would be a great season.

Done....Giants next please