Post subject: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:25 pm
Cala Millor Rhino
Club Coach
Joined: Feb 18 2005 Posts: 14424 Location: Cala Millor, Mallorca
Given the predicament that Leeds are in over the South Stand and after reading the discussion and feckwitted comments on here I decided to do some of my own investigations as to whether the club should make the South Stand all seated or not. Bit of an Angela Powers style trip around the grounds, however not looking into useless items such as baby changing facilities, much more the atmosphere and appreciation of the supporters. This will continue on a weekly basis and score updated accordingly.
Week 1: Wigan
So after Friday nights bore and lack of atmosphere, I ventured down to the JJB yesterday to see what the supporters of Wigan could offer.
Well, the atmosphere before the game was electric, and the 14000 strong crowd gave their team all their support throughout the game. The Wakefield fans were in good numbers and were also vocal and added to the superb atmosphere at the JJB.
One thing I did note was the outstanding reception given to Wigan and GB legend Ian Lucas at half time when he was invited onto the pitch at half time to conduct the golden gamble draw. As opposed to the half time at Headingley Carnegie, where the South Stand was asked to sing Happy Birthday to Harry Jepson, Current Leeds President, a tireless worker for the club and the game, and Leeds legend, and all of 4 people sang, there was more noise from the North Stand than there was from the “Hardcore Barmy Army!” From my point of view, this was embarrassing, and I was embarrassed to know people in the South Stand that evening. Mr Jepson deserved a much better act of appreciation.
After the game, the Wigan supporters (those that were left) applauded the Wakefield team off after their outstanding efforts in extremely difficult conditions. A very nice show of respect and sportsmanship in my opinion, which is sometimes lacking in modern day sport and society. In this, our family orientated game, this should be applauded, well done Wigan fans.
Well enough of the arguments for this weeks edition, Round one goes to the all seated stand, as the JJB offered much greater sound amplification and atmosphere, as well as appreciation for their clubs’ legend.
South Stand 0 – All Seated Stadia 1
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Joined: Feb 18 2005 Posts: 14424 Location: Cala Millor, Mallorca
in my opinion, they contained around 20% too much beef connective tissue. Take that out, a dash of salt and a small dollop of heinz ketchup and this situation is resolved!
REMEMBER, A TVOC IS FOR LIFE, NOT JUST FOR CHRISTMAS!
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Post subject: Re: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:32 pm
G1
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 18 2002 Posts: 32302 Location: Swimming against a tide of fekkwittedry
Cala Millor Rhino wrote:As opposed to the half time at Headingley Carnegie, where the South Stand was asked to sing Happy Birthday to Harry Jepson, Current Leeds President, a tireless worker for the club and the game, and Leeds legend, and all of 4 people sang, there was more noise from the North Stand than there was from the “Hardcore Barmy Army!” From my point of view, this was embarrassing, and I was embarrassed to know people in the South Stand that evening. Mr Jepson deserved a much better act of appreciation.
I am really glad you've brought this up. It was, as you say, a complete embarrassment. To call the effort of our "legendary" Southstanders half hearted would be a gross exaggeration.
The fabled atmosphere from the Southstand is a complete fallacy. Knock it down and replace it with an all seater stand so we can earn extra revenue and have decent corporate facilities.
Quote:Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.
Post subject: Re: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:34 pm
El Diablo
Club Coach
Joined: Oct 14 2004 Posts: 12106 Location: The Middle of the Land
Cala Millor Rhino wrote:Given the predicament that Leeds are in over the South Stand and after reading the discussion and feckwitted comments on here I decided to do some of my own investigations as to whether the club should make the South Stand all seated or not. Bit of an Angela Powers style trip around the grounds, however not looking into useless items such as baby changing facilities, much more the atmosphere and appreciation of the supporters. This will continue on a weekly basis and score updated accordingly.
Week 1: Wigan
So after Friday nights bore and lack of atmosphere, I ventured down to the JJB yesterday to see what the supporters of Wigan could offer. Well, the atmosphere before the game was electric, and the 14000 strong crowd gave their team all their support throughout the game. The Wakefield fans were in good numbers and were also vocal and added to the superb atmosphere at the JJB.
One thing I did note was the outstanding reception given to Wigan and GB legend Ian Lucas at half time when he was invited onto the pitch at half time to conduct the golden gamble draw. As opposed to the half time at Headingley Carnegie, where the South Stand was asked to sing Happy Birthday to Harry Jepson, Current Leeds President, a tireless worker for the club and the game, and Leeds legend, and all of 4 people sang, there was more noise from the North Stand than there was from the “Hardcore Barmy Army!” From my point of view, this was embarrassing, and I was embarrassed to know people in the South Stand that evening. Mr Jepson deserved a much better act of appreciation.
After the game, the Wigan supporters (those that were left) applauded the Wakefield team off after their outstanding efforts in extremely difficult conditions. A very nice show of respect and sportsmanship in my opinion, which is sometimes lacking in modern day sport and society. In this, our family orientated game, this should be applauded, well done Wigan fans. Well enough of the arguments for this weeks edition, Round one goes to the all seated stand, as the JJB offered much greater sound amplification and atmosphere, as well as appreciation for their clubs’ legend.
South Stand 0 – All Seated Stadia 1
Probably worth noting that in my experience you usually can't hear anything on the pA at half time in the South Stand, unless it's improved a lot. All you see is a few blokes stood near the North Stand with no idea who they are or why they're there or what you're supposed to do about it.
Might not have made a difference, but functional public address systems are not an exclusive perk of an all-seater stadium.
On a related note, the comparison you're drawing doesn't work as a judgement of all-seater vs standing stadia, if that was it's aim. The JJB is a shiny new ground, the South Stand is about 75 years old. A comparison with the Halliwell Jones would be fairer. Even then, much of your comaprison is actually of the attitudes of two groups of supporters, which you would have a hard time persuading me was largely a reflection on the physical attributes of the stadium.
What you're attempting is a nice idea, but a bit flawed in it's brief and methodology.
Post subject: Re: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:34 pm
Tony Soprano
Club Owner
Joined: Jun 16 2003 Posts: 7631 Location: N/A
Cala Millor Rhino wrote:Well, the atmosphere before the game was electric, and the 14000 strong crowd gave their team all their support throughout the game.
Very different views from the Wigan fans on cherryandwhite.
Post subject: Re: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:36 pm
El Diablo
Club Coach
Joined: Oct 14 2004 Posts: 12106 Location: The Middle of the Land
Tony Soprano wrote:Very different views from the Wigan fans on cherryandwhite.
The BBC report also said they booed the team off at half time. Which doesn't sound like giving the team all their support. Or the BBC reporter lied, which is not impossible I suppose.
Post subject: Re: A Reasoned Debate and Assessment of the South Stand...
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:54 pm
mleeds
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 14 2006 Posts: 95 Location: away
El Diablo wrote:Probably worth noting that in my experience you usually can't hear anything on the pA at half time in the South Stand, unless it's improved a lot. All you see is a few blokes stood near the North Stand with no idea who they are or why they're there or what you're supposed to do about it.
That's a very good point. I couldn't make it on Friday, but, in general, the people around me in the South Stand are usually left saying "what" whenever an announcement is made on the PA; its usuallly impossible to hear clearly what is being said.
What I don't get is every now an again it works fine, so I don't know what makes it so poor the rest of the time.
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