dally messenger wrote:maybe you arent much of a RL fan mate.
im going to 7 WC games myself, and cant wait for it actually.
since the final is close to sold out, you really should read the papers in this country before sprouting the BS you do.
and do you surf in the dark champ, most of the WC games are held at night!.
origin NZ Warriors. Internationals
vs AFL - collingwood vs carlton
Origin .....Overated, only three games, big poo, blink & its over
NZ warriors......????? do you really think having a team from the land of the long white errrr sheep makes us international & makes the AFL boys poo their pants??
Internationals... The North of England, a few lonely farmers in NZ & the odd left out Moari, A few frogs still trying to scratch back assets lost during the war, & odds & sods from third world islands...wow, the AFL must really be shaking now, & Union positively crapping themselves..
St.John wrote:The Gold Coast were also axed in the formation of the NRL; they therefore shouldn't be in the NRL. They made their bed by staying with the ARL, etc.
I'm not suggesting you are!
But long term plans need the planning to start now. The Perth junior team is doing all the right things, with apparent support from the appropriate people in the game.
Remind me, what is the money difference in the TV contracts between the NRL and the AFL?
But the Perth team brings greater exposure, and is a more powerful statement to the press and the RL fans in Aus. It opens up a market you otherwise would not have access to.
Seems like a half measure, to me; I'd prefer the franchise to be based in PNG, but I appreciate the difficulties with that.
Most of the NZ juniors seem to come from the NRL academies, so I'm not sure those that leave for RU are motivated by being unable to get a place in any other NRL team. They're motivated by money; another NRL team means more places available at first grade (more cash), and in Wellington is undoubtably more attractive than in Aus for native NZ'ers.
But I don't believe we're not losing juniors because there's not enough teams, we're losing juniors because we're up against the allure of an All Blacks jersey, and fair enough.
1. the gold coast didnt choose to turn their back on the games founders and the group that brought them into the comp. perth did. karma.
2. the money difference is a result of the SL war and the ownership of news ltd of RL.
3. a perth nrl team will take a decade of losses of millions of dollars to take off. a perth team has done nothing for union, their crowds have fallen qutie a bit. queensland clubs will be strong from day one. id rather have more strong clubs in the nrl atm and leave perth for later.
4. players like jonah lomu and tana umaga were RL juniors who we lost along the way through lack of opportunity. another NRL team offering more money than semi pro will help us keep our talent.
the ABs jersey doesnt mean much, they are losing their best players to france as well. we need to get the player salaries up to a level where union in the SH cant compete then we will have all the best talent.
the S14 is failing, union is no longer a threat to RL from australia or NZ.
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dally messenger wrote:1. perth made their bed going to news ltd. that they dont have a team is their own fault.
Out of interest who exactly is They? The ARL appointed management that ran the Reds and chose to go to SL for a better deal for the club? The fans of the original reds who didn't put up a fight? The RL fans that now live in Perth? The Perth Govt? The entire WA population? Who exactly are [b]THEY?[/b] 2. cronulla isnt struggling. they get 13,000 crowds, and have lots of assets. sure they arent a massive club but they are doing well enough and plans are they will get better.
Cronlulla are a perfect example of why RL will stay the same size in Australia as it has always been! A small catchment area playing in a poor suburban ground in front of a handfull of fans.
3. ive seen what losing clubs in sydney means. sydney is the biggest area in the world where RL is strong, why should that be weakened ?
Would losing a club or two weaken it? Hasn't before, doubt it would in the future.
NRL does not have the money to ever expand to a 22 comp so its cull or stay the same geographically isolated code. 5. looking 20 years down the track if we can sustain our position in queensland well be far and away above AFL, so thats where we should focus. queensland NRL clubs are setting the benchmark and they clearly need more teams.
6. if its 2 teams in 2012 then one will be queensland for sure. the other, take your pick from central coast, wellington or perth. central coast is being left in case a sydney team chooses to go there, but none has taken the $8 million on offer so far so lets see what happens there.
Your probably right, and sadly it will probably forever stop our game being a national code.
7. what im saying is we dont really need perth to be the strongest football code in australia. we do need queensland though. so if we have to pick, i can live without perth or adelaide to get more queensland teams, and probably central coast as well. Funny how ONLY the NRL sees this whilst EVERY other code in country recognises that Perth is essential to a strong national profile. NRL must have some visionaries to see something no other code is seeing!
8. id like to see the nrl add in the long term - 2 more teams in queensland, central coast, wellington / southern orcas, perth, PNG.
Wouldn't we all!
WEST COAST PIRATES NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......
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Rabbit_Attack wrote:do you really think having a team from the land of the long white errrr sheep makes us international
Yes, by definition.
Quote:Internationals... The North of England, a few lonely farmers in NZ & the odd left out Moari, A few frogs still trying to scratch back assets lost during the war, & odds & sods from third world islands...wow, the AFL must really be shaking now, & Union positively crapping themselves..
The AFL have nothing compared to the RL international scene. I don't know why you're playing it down; RL will be played professionally in 5 countries next year (depending on whether you view Wales as separate and distinct to England in terms of the UK), and with organised tournaments consisting of quite a few teams in others.
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dally messenger wrote:news ltd chose which SL clubs to keep and which to kill off. no perth team now is the fault of news ltd. news ltd had the power to make the choice because perth went to news ltd. so its their fault they are no longer in. Whose, perth's (whoever that may be!) or news Ltd?
im not saying we should ignore perth forever. i am saying though that other areas can offer more for the game now, and if we ignore perth next time round its not that bad.
It is if the game completely collapses here which it is likely to do. RU has moved in and is taking what we have fought for the last 10 years to regain. Wait another 10 years and we will have another Storm scenario in Perth.
just because AFL has a team in all capitals doesnt mean we need them now. That depends on if you believe that it is those capital representations that are giving AFL the mega bucks media and corporate sponsorship deals.
more queensland teams would improve the ratings as there would be more high ratings games in queensland which they would watch. more people from queensland would watch a game form their club than a perth team.
Didn't happen when the Titans started apart from the Q'land derby games, the viewing figures for Q'land barely changed. What evidence do you have that another team would make any difference? In contrast since the Storm the Vic ciewing figures ahve gone through the roof. 900k watching last years GF! Perth could easily add 200k to viewing figures in a totally new market. This has to be attractive to TV and sponsors
PNG - the nrl has looked at a joint venture between darwin and PNG, with darwin being the training facilities and 1/2 the games and PNG the rest.
Ha Ha, Perth isn't financially viable but a third world country with no stadium or infrastucture is?
re wellington - given the number of kiwi RL players in the nrl and overseas, NZ could easily handle another side. indeed we would keep more of our juniors that go to the dark side.
At last we agree!
WEST COAST PIRATES NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......
All this bloody expansionism, you have to be kidding!!
1. Boot all QLD teams & NZ out of the NRL
2. Bring back Newtown, Norths, Wests & Balmain, maybe even Glebe & UNI, possibly even Annandale ( what a great blast from the past that would be!!)
3. Change name back to NSWRL
4. Burn down ANZ & the Football stadium & make a law that all grounds must have a grass hill & must sell KB in cans ( preferably the old style heavy duty tins )
5. Bring back proper Kangaroo tours, all palyers must grow ridiculous beards & moustaches & must play Euchre, all non drinkers to be banned from tour, two teams to be picked with the nuffys playing midweek against club teams & the kangaroos saved for the big games on weekends.
6. get rid of all these poxy third world islanders & sheep fiddling kiwis
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do you really think having a team from the land of the long white errrr sheep makes us international & makes the AFL boys poo their pants?? 
