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Barry_McKenzie wrote:From the word go I have said that Celtic Crusaders should never have been awarded an SL franchise ahead of clubs like Widnes.

The RFL seem desperate to try and expand the game outside the traditional heartlands of Rugby League in the UK.
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So do I mate! The crusaders were given the quota advantage to get to 2nd in NL1. They didn't win the comp. Then we have the licencing system.
Having said that..................

Barry_McKenzie wrote:It didnt work in London, so why did anybody think it would work in South Wales?

Like it or not, regardless of their nomadic existance and numerous administration teams, 30 years on and London are still with us!

Barry_McKenzie wrote:I have been to Bridgend. I have been to the Brewery Field. I've spoken with locals about Rugby League. Its so obvious that it would never be a success in South Wales. South Wales is a Rugby Union stronghold. Celtic Crusaders will never attract the level of support that The Scarlets or the Ospreys get. EVER.

I've too have been to bridgend and I broadly agree. However, they're now to play elsewhere, with some interesting developments - Grendel - check your pms!! Yes it's a union stronghold, and I have many doubts about RL being anything more than a passing oddity in South Wales. Fortunately for the Crusaders, it appears some people with more business accumen than I think differently. I welcome a broader investment portfolio into any club in RL

Barry_McKenzie wrote:
Its irrelevent if you play your home games in Newport, Newbridge or Newquay. Rugby League will never be popular enough in South Wales to make any money. It can't be done.

Thank you.

Maybe, but how many NL clubs make any money at all?????
Come to think of it, how many SL clubs don't sail close to the very edge!! No-one "invests" in a RL club for financial return. - That is what can't be done!!

Barry_McKenzie wrote:The RFL seriously need to take a long hard look at themselves and their 'visions' for expanding the game.
Thank you.

[b]Yes they did. The introduction of the licencing system and the applications thereof, showed a great deal of ineptitude by the RFL - IMO!!

Barry_McKenzie wrote: I have always said the RL in this country should look after the TRUE supporters in the heartlands rather than try and expand to an area where there is little or no chance of success.

Thank you.

Author:	Barry_McKenzie [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:	The It's all Celtic's fault' trolling thread...
From the word go I have said that Celtic Crusaders should never have been awarded an SL franchise ahead of clubs like Widnes. It was just a farce from day one and it was NEVER going to work. The RFL seem desperate to try and expand the game outside the traditional heartlands of Rugby League in the UK. It didnt work in London, so why did anybody think it would work in South Wales? I have been to Bridgend. I have been to the Brewery Field. I've spoken with locals about Rugby League. Its so obvious that it would never be a success in South Wales. South Wales is a Rugby Union stronghold. Celtic Crusaders will never attract the level of support that The Scarlets or the Ospreys get. EVER. Its irrelevent if you play your home games in Newport, Newbridge or Newquay. Rugby League will never be popular enough in South Wales to make any money. It can't be done. The RFL seriously need to take a long hard look at themselves and their 'visions' for expanding the game. I have always said the RL in this country should look after the TRUE supporters in the heartlands rather than try and expand to an area where there is little or no chance of success. Thank you.

Author:	Rotherham Fev Fan [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Seriously Celtic.. enough is enough. RL will never catch on.
Barry_McKenzie wrote:From the word go I have said that Celtic Crusaders should never have been awarded an SL franchise ahead of clubs like Widnes. The RFL seem desperate to try and expand the game outside the traditional heartlands of Rugby League in the UK. Iquote] So do I mate! The crusaders were given the quota advantage to get to 2nd in NL1. They didn't win the comp. Then we have the licencing system. Having said that.................. Barry_McKenzie wrote:It didnt work in London, so why did anybody think it would work in South Wales? Like it or not, regardless of their nomadic existance and numerous administration teams, 30 years on and London are still with us! Barry_McKenzie wrote:I have been to Bridgend. I have been to the Brewery Field. I've spoken with locals about Rugby League. Its so obvious that it would never be a success in South Wales. South Wales is a Rugby Union stronghold. Celtic Crusaders will never attract the level of support that The Scarlets or the Ospreys get. EVER. I've too have been to bridgend and I broadly agree. However, they're now to play elsewhere, with some interesting developments - Grendel - check your pms!! Yes it's a union stronghold, and I have many doubts about RL being anything more than a passing oddity in South Wales. Fortunately for the Crusaders, it appears some people with more business accumen than I think differently. I welcome a broader investment portfolio into any club in RL Barry_McKenzie wrote: Its irrelevent if you play your home games in Newport, Newbridge or Newquay. Rugby League will never be popular enough in South Wales to make any money. It can't be done. Thank you. Maybe, but how many NL clubs make any money at all????? Come to think of it, how many SL clubs don't sail close to the very edge!! No-one "invests" in a RL club for financial return. - That is what can't be done!! Barry_McKenzie wrote:The RFL seriously need to take a long hard look at themselves and their 'visions' for expanding the game. Thank you. [b]Yes they did. The introduction of the licencing system and the applications thereof, showed a great deal of ineptitude by the RFL - IMO!! Barry_McKenzie wrote: I have always said the RL in this country should look after the TRUE supporters in the heartlands rather than try and expand to an area where there is little or no chance of success. Thank you. [b]"TRUE SUPPORTERS"?????????????? The hardy few who turn up week in week out to watch RL in South Wales are indeed TRUE supporters. Supporters of their team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The RFL is the focus of my anger - and rightly so. They crusaders unfortunately are at the centre of the RFL's "vision/experiement/direction etc etc, and for the moment receive more scrutiny than any other club from bellyaching sceptics like you or I!!! - But I give them their due - they're fans are like the rest of us - TRUE supporters. Whether they've watched their team for 3 of 36 years makes not one jot of a difference![/b]

Author:	SaintsFan [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:14 pm ]
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Sheesh. You are two sad people and an embarrassment to rugby league.

Author:	Rotherham Fev Fan [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:18 pm ]
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well thought out and reasoned then eh???

Author:	Rotherham Fev Fan [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:19 pm ]
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Grendel - I have tried to pm you with some info you might find of interest - but can't!

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Author:	Barry_McKenzie [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:22 pm ]
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SaintsFan wrote:Sheesh. You are two sad people and an embarrassment to rugby league. Why? For pointing out that expansion is not working???

Author:	Wildthing [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:21 pm ]
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Barry_McKenzie wrote:Why? For pointing out that expansion is not working??? It is for Catalans. Before anyone starts I was very dubious about Celtic getting entry to SL and I still think Widnes should have got in, however Celtic are here for the next few years and people need to get over it. Widnes are doing very nicely and look very likely to get a franchise next time around and if Celtic haven't improved things by then, fair enough.

Author:	Chris Dalton [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:32 pm ]
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Wildthing wrote:It is for Catalans. Before anyone starts I was very dubious about Celtic getting entry to SL and I still think Widnes should have got in, however Celtic are here for the next few years and people need to get over it. Widnes are doing very nicely and look very likely to get a franchise next time around and if Celtic haven't improved things by then, fair enough. If we replace anyone it wont be celtic. It will be one of you, salford or cas.

Author:	Barry_McKenzie [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:43 pm ]
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Wildthing wrote:It is for Catalans. Before anyone starts I was very dubious about Celtic getting entry to SL and I still think Widnes should have got in, however Celtic are here for the next few years and people need to get over it. Widnes are doing very nicely and look very likely to get a franchise next time around and if Celtic haven't improved things by then, fair enough. Catalans have made a good go of it for sure. London and Celtic haven't though. The sad thing is unless one of them goes bust it's unlikely they will not get another franchise. The RFL is too one eyed when it comes to 'expansion'

Author:	Wildthing [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:44 pm ]
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Chris Dalton wrote:If we replace anyone it wont be celtic. It will be one of you, salford or cas. Maybe so. Not disputing that either, I am certainly not arrogant to think we will be out of it then either, lots depend on the ground situation.

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