Joined: Aug 11 2006 Posts: 3787 Location: North Sea and beyond
Grendel wrote:Captain Dave,
I'm not digging at you for not knowing about population distribution in Wales. But we have a population of 3 million in Wales. 3/4 of this population lives in South Wales along the M4 corridor. That's 2,250,000 along 100 miles of motorway. The entire rest of Wales houses the remaining 750,000. So given that roads in rural and North Wales are often little more than donkey tracks with tarmac on them and that most clubs in any sport can reasonable expect HOME fans to travel no more than an hour to come see them, it has an optimistic catchement area of, say, 200,000.
So.... given that Celtic Crusaders had an average attendance of 3,500 in a catchment area of 2 million and generously factoring up interest from the gogs who have been denied much sport outside of a poorly supported football team that gets gates of 1,300, let's say that the Wrexham ANZACs will get home support of about 800.
Youy can add the loyal "THE Crusaders" fans who will be taking a minibus up too and you might get 806 home fans.
Here's hoping that the ANZAC games prove a draw to all the proper teams in SL (and Salford) so that the loyal new owner can achieve his stated aim of saving Wrexham FC!
As you can see, giving the ANZACs the Celtic Crusaders spot in SL is not exactly INCREASING the exposure of the game in Wales.
So it doesn't look good then?
TBF I did remark in a later post that the move did look like a ploy to save the football team.
I like toast as much as anyone , but not for breakfast , dinner and tea.
Starbug wrote:The bitterness is strong in you young Padwan
Starbug who you calling YOUNG?
Yep, still bitter, but the population distribution statistics are STILL broadly correct. Admittedly the crowd figures can only be extrapolations, but based on catchment area I think I've been quite generous. With a catchment area 1/10th the size of Crusaders, a simplified extrapolation would say 350 home supporters.
Captain Dave,
You're dead on correct. Moss (the owner of the ANZACs) has stated in the press that buying and moving our ex-club would help secure the future of Wrexham FC
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Grendel wrote:Starbug who you calling YOUNG?
Yep, still bitter, but the population distribution statistics are STILL broadly correct. Admittedly the crowd figures can only be extrapolations, but based on catchment area I think I've been quite generous. With a catchment area 1/10th the size of Crusaders, a simplified extrapolation would say 350 home supporters.
Captain Dave,
You're dead on correct. Moss (the owner of the ANZACs) has stated in the press that buying and moving our ex-club would help secure the future of Wrexham FC
I know this is about a Welsh club , but can we stick to English please
kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
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[quote="Grendel"]Captain Dave,
Here's hoping that the ANZAC games prove a draw to all the proper teams in SL (and Salford) so that the loyal new owner can achieve his stated aim of saving Wrexham FC!
Please ecplain your bitterness towards Salford? Nothing to do with the amount of tonkings we've handed out to your mickey mouse (now more than ever ) club over the past few years. I'm all for expansion in SL but sorry you should not have been leapfrogged into SL instead of Widnes, a proper SL club as you put it.(we'll forget the odd period of administration etc )
Joined: Feb 28 2009 Posts: 96 Location: Rhondda (south wales)
SalfordSlim wrote:
Grendel wrote:Captain Dave,
Here's hoping that the ANZAC games prove a draw to all the proper teams in SL (and Salford) so that the loyal new owner can achieve his stated aim of saving Wrexham FC!
Please ecplain your bitterness towards Salford? Nothing to do with the amount of tonkings we've handed out to your mickey mouse (now more than ever ) club over the past few years. I'm all for expansion in SL but sorry you should not have been leapfrogged into SL instead of Widnes, a proper SL club as you put it.(we'll forget the odd period of administration etc )
The only tonking that happend when we have played each other was when we played you at your place in the play offs enjoy being bottom of the league this season
Joined: Jan 24 2008 Posts: 4245 Location: Newport, South Wales
SalfordSlim wrote:
Grendel wrote:Captain Dave,
Here's hoping that the ANZAC games prove a draw to all the proper teams in SL (and Salford) so that the loyal new owner can achieve his stated aim of saving Wrexham FC!
Please ecplain your bitterness towards Salford? Nothing to do with the amount of tonkings we've handed out to your mickey mouse (now more than ever ) club over the past few years. I'm all for expansion in SL but sorry you should not have been leapfrogged into SL instead of Widnes, a proper SL club as you put it.(we'll forget the odd period of administration etc )
You have beaten us once more than we have beaten you in the past few seasons and one of those was in extra time after a last second Wilshere kick in last years grand final.
Grendel is now a Scorpions fan and doesn't support Crusaders any more. I actually think he wants us to fail even more than some heartland fans now. I, for what it is worth as a current Crusaders fan, wish you all the best for the coming season and have no bad feeling toward Salford as a club and it's fans. When you play us this all changes naturally but there is no hatred or bitterness aimed your way from a lot of current Crusaders fans so don't read a lot into it.
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Joined: Jan 24 2008 Posts: 4245 Location: Newport, South Wales
As for Mickey Mouse Club I will take our position of one league place and 800 less average fans behind you as we were last season, for now.
If that is what your 130 year plus existence head start on us gives you then I know who should be worried. We're on the rise, moving onwards and upwards on and off the field and cannot finish any lower in the league. Can you lot say the same?
See you next season.
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you may see them next season. Not sure about the season after at the mo. We'll see. The whole precarious nature of the current crusaders set up is too volatile for predictions beyond the first few weeks of the coming season to be honest. I'm sure you'll disagree cru. But getting through the season will be a success from my point of view.
She carries on through it all......
She's a Waterfall
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crucrucrusaders wrote:As for Mickey Mouse Club I will take our position of one league place and 800 less average fans behind you as we were last season, for now.
If that is what your 130 year plus existence head start on us gives you then I know who should be worried. We're on the rise, moving onwards and upwards on and off the field and cannot finish any lower in the league. Can you lot say the same?
See you next season.
Sorry Cru but the only upward movement has been on the Map
As for the fans ave , you and I both know a lot of that was down to the ' novelty ' value of traveling to a new venue , the same might well happen this year , in fact the Crusaders management had better hope it does , because as RFF has pointed out , if the away fans dont turn up then I like him cannot see the Wrexham experiment lasting longer than one season
kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!
Joined: Jan 24 2008 Posts: 4245 Location: Newport, South Wales
The set up is a lot more secure than the situation under Samuel.
The squad, on paper at least, looks improved on the one we had last season with recruitment still happening. The ground is miles better than we have had previously also. Staff numbers are higher and things from ticket sales to club shop have improved ten fold. Last season we were run like a part time union club. This year thanks to the link between the football and league club this has improved beyind recognition. For example last year we had to ring between the hours of 10am and 2pm weekdays to buy match tickets. Now we have this site which we can actually hand pick our seats and purchase them there and then.
I expect merchandise to be much the same. This is better than many Super League clubs have in place.
For me that is moving forwards. With Hull KR, Wakefield etc having problems of their own I think we are in as good a position as a few other clubs to get the license next time round. The big factor will be getting people through the gate. People didn't support the club in any great number down here so it can't get much worse so I'm hopeful we can match or surpass last seasons crowd levels.
The set up is a lot more secure than the situation under Samuel.
The squad, on paper at least, looks improved on the one we had last season with recruitment still happening. The ground is miles better than we have had previously also. Staff numbers are higher and things from ticket sales to club shop have improved ten fold. Last season we were run like a part time union club. This year thanks to the link between the football and league club this has improved beyind recognition. For example last year we had to ring between the hours of 10am and 2pm weekdays to buy match tickets. Now we have this site which we can actually hand pick our seats and purchase them there and then.
I expect merchandise to be much the same. This is better than many Super League clubs have in place.
For me that is moving forwards. With Hull KR, Wakefield etc having problems of their own I think we are in as good a position as a few other clubs to get the license next time round. The big factor will be getting people through the gate. People didn't support the club in any great number down here so it can't get much worse so I'm hopeful we can match or surpass last seasons crowd levels.
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Please ecplain your bitterness towards Salford? Nothing to do with the amount of tonkings we've handed out to your mickey mouse (now more than ever 
enjoy being bottom of the league this season 
