When crowds where low and problems occured the RFL & Cru message was 'it takes time' which in a sense yes is fair enough!



But then they go and do this 'quick fix move' what if Wrexham don't take to the game... move again in 6 months?

The only fault the RFL can be criticised for is giving into the "its now or never" language of Samuels. Crusaders have given the RFL another one: Wrexham or bust. The RFL are probably doing the right thing in agreeing to it, as they can hardly let another side in at such short notice, but I hope the Neath thing works and that they take the place of Crusaders in 2014.



There is, of course, the possibility that the Wrexham thing could work. All the other clubs that have failed have had dominant football teams in the locality. I know Wrexham FC is popular in that area, but it is dominant only because of the lack of an alternative.



What I can't understand is the desire to move back to South Wales in the long term. It doesn't sound like they are looking to grow a local fanbase. The Crusaders should accept they have lost South Wales, make a go of Wrexham, and leave Neath to it. If Wrexham doesn't work, let Neath take over.

I hope it is widnes in next.No offence to crusaders and i feel sorry for their fans now, who have supported them through a bad first season.We put 500,000 guarantee down and still not enough for the rfl.We have 8 home grown players in our squad already, and got a good fan base,stadium,business men and a good history.If widnes moved to gloucester, most widnes fans would not go to support their team .Another mistake by the rfl and they need sacking, especially lewis.

thread tidied and user banned: let's keep on topic and within the AUP people.

well done on your actions.



I dont think there are any winners IMMEDIATELY in this fiasco.The obvious losers have all been mentioned by various contributors.

WE MAY see that the winners become the 'new team' in wrexham but of course thats an imponderable as to achieve that it needs stable skilled,confident management to deliver business and sporting success.Also they have to unfortunately live under a microscope of a cynical RL public and every move will be second guessed.



On the bigger picture the RFL/SL management team who have been involved have a severely tarnished rep with another coating added.I hope for the sports sake they will do an objective/none sugar coated critique of themselves and learn some hard lessons.

do you honestly think dumb and dumber are capable of such self analysis?

I just do not see how anyone can say you can't blame the RFL/SL



If you want to emigrate to Australia they make sure that you are not going to arrive and be a burden upon them and their state hand outs. They make sure you have either your own means or a sponsor.

Now if we took this kind of sensible aproach all would need to do is look at how much running a team costs then tell whoever it is wanting to join the club that they need 3 years worth of funds before we let them in.



Its not that hard really is it?

If they can't come up with it or proof that there backers can't simply walk away they can't join.

I agree it does depend on the speed at which the crash-dummy chaos bus this whole issue is smacks them in the face.

I look at it like this...



an expansion club in South Wales... yeah, can support that it makes sense...



an expansion club in Wrexham... piontless, offers nothing new less than 30 miles to Widnes... smallish conurbation with no other catchment area! ... bordering stupid!



for me its Crusaders in South Wales or not at all!

Get on the VT and suggest the same , then wait for the ' flack '

said by a saints fan, who's club have not spent a penny on their urine stained pit of a ground for decades, get a life, get a new ground!

Totaly agree....had a great time in Bridgend this year