With approximately 45% of the playing roster in rehab, Tim played his (now) usual hand of playing players out of position whilst also giving a SL debut to a winger. Not many would have called this result pre match. Not many would have called HKR keeping Wigan to 1 Try all game, winning at 1/2time & nilling them in the 2nd half.

I’m not getting carried away after 1 win but am giving perspective against the sheens out thread.

Ive questioned his team selections several times but we have to put into perspective the fact we had the last pick of available players, what other coach would have done any better with what Sheens has had available?

I Don't know one KR fan who has said they wanted Sheens out in everyday life. Forums after bad defeats may be a little different? It's generally FC trumpets playing daft again. He's done as well as anyone could with the hand dealt

His team selection often leaves me baffled, the switch of Lee/Atkin is something that I still don’t get. But last night everyone I know was calling for quinlan to go in the halves & put Dagger at FB. I don’t think anyone called it the other way round, but all us “expert fans” clearly know nothing.

Must say i agree, his selections have sometimes left me a little baffled, but with a limited squad available it worked a treat last night. Perhaps swapping players out of position will give Tim a better idea on the versatility of individual players. so he can decide who to keep, when the end of season cull starts... i dont usually believe rumours, but (lol) i've heard whispers up to a dozen players leaving. Just to say iv'e never been in the 'TIM OUT BRIGADE'

Rumours going round where after Carl Ablett not sure why because he’s not much different to Chris Clarkson or Ben Kavanagh and he’ll probably take up more off the salary cap

I saw that today & wondered why? Not that he is not a good player but we want someone with another 5 years in them for the kind of money I assume he would want. On his selections some seem to be out of left field to me? But listening to his post match interview he is planing Atkin to be our No 9 in the long term so he may see Dagger as a halfback for the future?

Atkin looks good at dummy half when coming of the bench, when lunts fit having them to in the team up ower game...dagger looked like he added something we really need in the half’s speed... I think we still need a controlling half back aswell.... I agree Ablett is not that bad but don’t think he will be good value for money he wants he is not much better then what we have already we need at least one big tackle busting second rower a Cook Islands or samon with size and power

True but can we get one or maybe two let’s hope so

Well done tim,finally managed to put somebody with a bit of pace at half back,interesting our top try scorers this season shaw 6,minns 4,quinlan4,carney 3,moss3.Am i missing something shaw played 14,quinlan 13,carney 13,moss 1.one.!!!
The top average gain per carry in superleague is 11 metres,moss averages 10.76 per carry the 2nd best in the league.Am i missing something.???
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Yes. Moss has played one game albeit a try scoring one. I'm sure TS has his reasons why Moss isn't in the starting line up but to start quoting stats after 1 game is a bit silly. Maybe TS sees other deficiencies in his game that we don't.

Well iam sure we all see deficiencies in shaws game,very good goal kicker wakey ran riot on his wing in both matches as well as most other teams we have played.Do you think shaw is a better tackler than moss who played well at full back during quinlans abscence last year and shaw has only scored 3 more tries in 13 more matches.?
Also do you not think the difference in the win against wigan was helped big style by having a half back with pace rather than lee,who has played well,but is void of any pace or threat in the halves,atkins also added pace and a threat from hooker,something we havent had since lunt got injured.

I understand the moss sentiments, and for me he should of played friday. However, you can not argue with what young Wallis has produced over these two games.

For me, Moss just doesn;t make enough yards on returns. And with quinlan at the back who is not going to get dropped rightly so, i don't think TS wants two weak returns if possible ( even more so when shaw's playing)

With carney out, my two wingers would be

Oakes
Shaw

In a couple of years a back 3 of Oakes, Wallis, Dagger will look pretty exciting

Moss came on for the final 15 minutes at Wakefield and scored a try. He then played a full game against Hull and scored 3 tries.

So Moss has scored 4 tries and is second in our try scoring list having played one game plus 15 minutes.

I'd forgotten about the wakey match,obviously 4 tries in 95 mins isnt enough bearing in mind what a top of the table team we are,Oh wait a minute !!!!!

Agree about the youngsters,but why would you prefer somebody who has scored 6 tries in 14 matches over a player who has scored 4 tries in 1 match and 15 minutes and 7 tries in one game for york,I know its lower level,but what does he have to do ??.Moss has the 2nd highest making ground per carry in superleague.11.76 metres per carry.

I would put Moss in front of Shaw but not Carney

Again this means nothing in the context that he has played 1 game. You can bang the same drum over and over again but it wont force TS to pick him or make your argument anymore or less valid.

IMO i dont think TS had any intention of playing Moss this season hence letting him get cup tied at york. Injuries forced his hand though. It was a strange one pre season when Sheens backtracked on his decision to release him only to decide to hang onto him then ship him off to York.

Agree 100%,my point exactly.

The thing you're missing us that wings can't swap sides easily. Moss for Shaw isn't easy, and Carney is rightly 1st choice left wing. If Moss plays in the Cas game he is likely to face Eden on his wing.

I expect a similar teamsheet to last week but with Moss in place of Carney. Shaw doesn't deserve his place at the mo. His defence hasn't been great and ge's starting to drop passes as well now.

Iv always liked Moss and think we have only seen a fraction of his talent for us? Sheens obviously doesn't fancy him as a player and as people say he is the man with all the experience so there must be a reason? I'm surprised Cas haven't took a punt on him as they have had Fullback issues.His speed is right up there with the best of them and like Dixon before him it would be interesting to see them behind a consistently dominant pack.Apart from couple of Shaw tries last year can't remember many of our wingers going full length in fair while?

Think Carney had more than a couple of full lengthers especially in Cas

After watching the Saints and Hull cup game its a shame that Sheens hasnt managed to instill that never say die attitude our neighbours seem to have.

Them lot have plenty of Hull born lads who care. we don't