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Author:  Wildmoose [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  So what's the rule here then?
When Graeme Horne scored his 1st try last week (the one right on half-time where Latus made a mess of the bomb) my immediate reaction was no try, but nobody else seemed to have a problem with it.

Now I've watched it again I'm still not sure it should have been given.

It's on here about 17:15...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... pisode_23/

Basically a player can juggle the football in a forwards direction as long as it doesn't hit the ground / another player / post / official before he retrieves it...this probably happens 2/3 times a game.

What I didn't think you were allowed to do was propel the ball forwards deliberately with the intention of gaining an advantage, ie lob the ball over a defenders head & run on to it.

Imo this is basically how Horne scored the try. The tip-on appeared a deliberate attempt to knock the ball over Louis Sheriffs head.

So which of these is correct?...

a) I've misunderstood the rules & this is ok
b) This was the case but the rule / interpretation has changed at some point
c) This is the case & the officials missed it

Any ideas?
When Graeme Horne scored his 1st try last week (the one right on half-time where Latus made a mess of the bomb) my immediate reaction was no try, but nobody else seemed to have a problem with it.

Now I've watched it again I'm still not sure it should have been given.

It's on here about 17:15...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... pisode_23/

Basically a player can juggle the football in a forwards direction as long as it doesn't hit the ground / another player / post / official before he retrieves it...this probably happens 2/3 times a game.

What I didn't think you were allowed to do was propel the ball forwards deliberately with the intention of gaining an advantage, ie lob the ball over a defenders head & run on to it.

Imo this is basically how Horne scored the try. The tip-on appeared a deliberate attempt to knock the ball over Louis Sheriffs head.

So which of these is correct?...

a) I've misunderstood the rules & this is ok
b) This was the case but the rule / interpretation has changed at some point
c) This is the case & the officials missed it

Any ideas?
Author:  clockwork mouse [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
I believe it's classed as ungentlemanly conduct.
Author:  EL CAMO [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
Begs the question, could sheriff have taken him out while the ball was in the air fairly?
Author:  Chang [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
I thought that at a the time it should have been a knock on.
Author:  tonylRobin [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
it was a try. end of.
he doesnt knock on.
Author:  Kosh [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
Wildmoose wrote:So which of these is correct?...

a) I've misunderstood the rules & this is ok
b) This was the case but the rule / interpretation has changed at some point
c) This is the case & the officials missed it

The answer is a).

He isn't in possession of the ball when he plays at it and therefore his action counts as an attempt to gather a loose ball. The Rovers player and Horne are effectively contesting for the ball, so the fact that the ball travels forward is irrelevant.

If he had been carrying the ball and had thrown it over his opponent's head to regather it and score then he would have been guilty of deliberately propelling the ball forward to gain advantage. Or if he had headed the ball rather than play at it with his hand then he might have been pinged.
Author:  Scott_HKR [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
Nothing wrong with it. Ball didn't touch the ground or anything.
Author:  Mable_Syrup [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
Good question. I questioned this at the time. As a Giants fan, I thought it was a deliberate knock on and should have been pulled back. He deliberatley tipped it forward.
Author:  Scott_HKR [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
Are we really questioning this? It's only a knock on if it hits someone else or the ground, or the posts maybe. But it would only be like Horne juggling the ball before he catches it. Can't see what anyone can think is wrong with it.
Author:  Mable_Syrup [ Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So what's the rule here then?
No it's not. A deliberate knock on is quite different. If a player deliberatley threw the ball over the oncoming defence, caught it before it hit the floor or someone else, and scored, you'd be happy? Juggling with the ball is when a player is trying to regather, Horne didnt try to regather, he tipped it, deliberately, over your players head.
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