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Captain Charisma wrote:The game against Celtic was the first all season (i think) and possibly for a while, where we have used just one hooker all game.

Now we know Fisher can last a whole game for Rovers, he used to do it all the time for us and it seems like Rovers now spell their hookers just because other teams do it.

I cannot see what benefit having one of your subs as a hooker brings, especially when the player isn't a specialist hooker (ie Fitzhenry) As a team, I feel Hull KR lose so much when they take him off.

The trade off seems to be Fishers improved passing, kicking game and general knowledge and experience of the hooking role, for a winger playing hooker who scoots from dummy half once maybe twice per ten tackles.

I don't think, at Fitzhenrys stage in his career, he has the ability to learn a new position to Super League level, especially one so different to his natural role. This isn't a Fitzy bashing thread, I just think he's a winger and should be played there, not hooker!

So does anyone else hope Morgan keeps faith with playing Fisher all game, or can anyone else see the benefit in having one of the replacement spots taken up in this way?

Beverley red wrote:The down side to Fisher doing the full 80 is that if he is targeted by big men running at him he will tire & with that goes is quickness of thought. Saints are lucky that in Cunningham they have not only a top class hooker but when he is spelled by Roby he is big & strong enough to come back anywhere in the pack if needed. I do like the way Justin mixes up the side according to our opponents but it is also dictated by the stenghts (or lack of )in our squad. I think that he would have developed Kirk Netherton in that role if he would have stayed but now I think it would be better to persevere with Ben Cockayne. The other option is to use Murrell as he hits well above his size & can fit into the pack as well.

Beverley red wrote:The down side to Fisher doing the full 80 is that if he is targeted by big men running at him

Alex Mc wrote:If we dont sign a hooker next season I think Scott Murrell will be our 9 with Fisher as interchange. Galea at 13 and a new 2nd row :wink:

j_hunter_hkr wrote:If we're going to kick on and improve next year I do think we need an interchange hooker to compliment Fish. I don't know who, but that's Justin and the coaching staff's job to find one!

Author:	Captain Charisma [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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The game against Celtic was the first all season (i think) and possibly for a while, where we have used just one hooker all game. Now we know Fisher can last a whole game for Rovers, he used to do it all the time for us and it seems like Rovers now spell their hookers just because other teams do it. I cannot see what benefit having one of your subs as a hooker brings, especially when the player isn't a specialist hooker (ie Fitzhenry) As a team, I feel Hull KR lose so much when they take him off. The trade off seems to be Fishers improved passing, kicking game and general knowledge and experience of the hooking role, for a winger playing hooker who scoots from dummy half once maybe twice per ten tackles. I don't think, at Fitzhenrys stage in his career, he has the ability to learn a new position to Super League level, especially one so different to his natural role. This isn't a Fitzy bashing thread, I just think he's a winger and should be played there, not hooker! So does anyone else hope Morgan keeps faith with playing Fisher all game, or can anyone else see the benefit in having one of the replacement spots taken up in this way?

Author:	roversmad [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:17 pm ]
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I agree with you there Fitz is no hooker. If we need to spell Fisher its got to be Ben C.

Author:	Gavin Miller - Legend [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:16 pm ]
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Captain Charisma wrote:The game against Celtic was the first all season (i think) and possibly for a while, where we have used just one hooker all game. Now we know Fisher can last a whole game for Rovers, he used to do it all the time for us and it seems like Rovers now spell their hookers just because other teams do it. I cannot see what benefit having one of your subs as a hooker brings, especially when the player isn't a specialist hooker (ie Fitzhenry) As a team, I feel Hull KR lose so much when they take him off. The trade off seems to be Fishers improved passing, kicking game and general knowledge and experience of the hooking role, for a winger playing hooker who scoots from dummy half once maybe twice per ten tackles. I don't think, at Fitzhenrys stage in his career, he has the ability to learn a new position to Super League level, especially one so different to his natural role. This isn't a Fitzy bashing thread, I just think he's a winger and should be played there, not hooker! So does anyone else hope Morgan keeps faith with playing Fisher all game, or can anyone else see the benefit in having one of the replacement spots taken up in this way? Was a decision made on the opponents being Celtic when i interviewed him after the game.

Author:	Beverley red [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:05 am ]
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The down side to Fisher doing the full 80 is that if he is targeted by big men running at him he will tire & with that goes is quickness of thought. Saints are lucky that in Cunningham they have not only a top class hooker but when he is spelled by Roby he is big & strong enough to come back anywhere in the pack if needed. I do like the way Justin mixes up the side according to our opponents but it is also dictated by the stenghts (or lack of )in our squad. I think that he would have developed Kirk Netherton in that role if he would have stayed but now I think it would be better to persevere with Ben Cockayne. The other option is to use Murrell as he hits well above his size & can fit into the pack as well.

Author:	Pudsey Robin [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:02 am ]
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Beverley red wrote:The down side to Fisher doing the full 80 is that if he is targeted by big men running at him he will tire & with that goes is quickness of thought. Saints are lucky that in Cunningham they have not only a top class hooker but when he is spelled by Roby he is big & strong enough to come back anywhere in the pack if needed. I do like the way Justin mixes up the side according to our opponents but it is also dictated by the stenghts (or lack of )in our squad. I think that he would have developed Kirk Netherton in that role if he would have stayed but now I think it would be better to persevere with Ben Cockayne. The other option is to use Murrell as he hits well above his size & can fit into the pack as well. Listening to the radio on Saturday it sounds like Scotty could do with a week off.

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Author:	Captain Charisma [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:59 am ]
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Beverley red wrote:The down side to Fisher doing the full 80 is that if he is targeted by big men running at him Doesnt the same thing happen to the halfbacks though? They don't get spelled. The fullback doesn't get spelled and he spends most of the game chasing kicked balls and running them back up the field into tacklers!

Author:	Alex Mc [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:02 am ]
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If we dont sign a hooker next season I think Scott Murrell will be our 9 with Fisher as interchange. Galea at 13 and a new 2nd row

Author:	barham red [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:08 am ]
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Alex Mc wrote:If we dont sign a hooker next season I think Scott Murrell will be our 9 with Fisher as interchange. Galea at 13 and a new 2nd row No way for me, Murrell's not quick enough for this position and is a far more effective 13. Charlie is good off the bench at 9 and gives a lift to the team when he comes on that seems to be missing from his game when playing from the start.

Author:	j_hunter_hkr [ Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:16 am ]
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Murrell isn't fit enough to be a 9, you could see that in the Quins game (and even in the Hull game). Fish should be starting hooker for the rest of the season and play as much game time as possible, Cockayne could come off the bench if he's not being used elsewhere. If we're going to kick on and improve next year I do think we need an interchange hooker to compliment Fish. I don't know who, but that's Justin and the coaching staff's job to find one!

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