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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:51 pm 
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Roverswall wrote:He isnt the only player who has been found to be naughty whilst playing for a Hull club though Neil and some would say that was very lenient as well.
Some people have very short memories Neil not you but some in this thread.
Im not stiring it mate just stating facts.

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geordie thorman wrote:Complete joke, especially as it's not the first time he's been in trouble with the law.
Hope KR do the right thing and give him the fleetwood mac.


I believe it wasn't the first time Raynor had been in trouble with the law but failed to find a similar post from you criticising him.

Double standards me think.

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Im actualy not.
Both clubs have thugs in their ranks but I would assume both clubs will stick by them some on this thread seem to have forgotten that fact.
Each club have/will have made their own decisions and will live with them.
I will say that the RFL getting involved may open a can of worms they may want to keep shut tbh!






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Big Spender wrote:I believe it wasn't the first time Raynor had been in trouble with the law


Won't be the last either. :wink:






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really glad that ben has not been given time, and i hope that he keeps his mind on the games ahead. thats not to say that he is not a silly boy for what he has done but i hope he moves forward now.






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Roverswall wrote:He isnt the only player who has been found to be naughty whilst playing for a Hull club though Neil and some would say that was very lenient as well.
Some people have very short memories Neil not you but some in this thread.
Im not stiring it mate just stating facts.


I agree, I was gobsmacked when Raynor (I assume that's who you are referring to) got off with the sentence he did, and Cooke before him.






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Neil HFC wrote:I agree, I was gobsmacked when Raynor (I assume that's who you are referring to) got off with the sentence he did, and Cooke before him.
I think we are in agreement mate like I said and have reaffirmed to Kosh i'm not on a wind up either some should just think before they type.






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Mild Rover wrote:Hull KR have 3 choices IMO:

1. Say the punishment set by the court is sufficient and he should not be punished twice for the same crime.

2. Suspend him for a period to show their thorough diapproval.

3. Sack him.

The last seems unlikely - he has been in the 17 regularly, while the case has been ongoing. There is no real risk to the club in keeping him, as if he makes another mistake he'll be a guest of Her Majesty and we can try to find a replacement then - swapping the certainty of a problem now for the possibility of one down the road isn't a risk.

There are ethical arguments for and against a suspension. The rugby arguments (you have to be realistic about these things) are mostly against - especially going into the hectic Easter period with one 3/4 already out for 3 months. He's lucky not to be going to prison and maybe lucky he's not a prop.


Agree with this, although perhaps a fine might be added to the list.

As far as sacking him is concerned, he would probably find himself picked up very quickly by either Salford or perhaps another club struggling a bit like Bradford. It would only really be the RFL who could revoke his registration to stop him playing.

With regard to the sentencing, I suppose we have to remember that the prisons are full, and people are getting off with community sentences. A couple of years ago there was a case on TV of a repeat shoplifter (ok thats not as serious) where the judge said he couldn't put him behind bars because there was no room even though he wanted to. This guy then when on tv to talk about it. He had a pretty memorable face (a bit like a cat-weasel). Two days later I'm in John Lewis's and I saw him and thought I know that guy from somewhere. Next thing his stuffing perfume into his pockets. Told security and the nabbed him. Not sure what happened to him after that.

Sentencing is both punishment and risk. I suppose with the publicity of this and the risk it poses to Cockayne's career, then he would not be considered a public risk as the chances of him re-offending are slim (plus he would go straight to jail not passing go if he did.






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chasing a man out of a pub and giving him a kicking & then going back to do a bit more damage isnt being a silly boy,its outright thuggery.i wonder how many of you would be so blaise about it had it been a member of your family taking the kicking.ANY player for ANY team should be harshly punished for such a crime.you seem to forget these players are strong athletes, not your average joe.they can do serious damage.

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I was on jury service last year on a near identical case to Ben's, needless to say both young men got custodial sentances.

He's been extremely lucky and the fact that he's a sportsman and probably in a position to employ a top lawyer certainly will have helped his case. It's hard to take because if it was a member of joe public no doubt they would be in prison now. Whether it be Raynor,Cooke, Reardon or Pryce this should not be allowed to happen,the justice system is a joke.






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