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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:15 pm 
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Seventies red wrote:Probably the same places that All your extra fans came from when you left the Boulevard.

We've got less attending now than we did in the early 80's at the Boulevard






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hull smallears wrote:I always said we would be merged by 2015. Reckon it will happen. (and I am being serious)


Why does the merger word always enter the equation just because there is talk of sharing grounds,
There are some football teams in Europe and in fact the world that share grounds, they do so simply because financialy it makes , especialy in these time we live in.

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Seventies red wrote:Probably the same places that All your extra fans came from when you left the Boulevard.


Really?

Do you seriously think they'd support Hull KR as well as Hull FC?

Remember, you'll be paying a damn sight more rent than you are currently, your ticket prices would have to increase. And you still reckon they'd rock up in droves?






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Talking from a serious standpoint, there's been talk between Pearson and Hudgell about working closer together. You do wonder if they could broker some kind of deal that would have them both getting a cheaper deal overall. You'd think the operating costs of the stadium would come down having three clubs there.

Then when you think of things like the possibility of double-headers for some of the lower supported games like Catalans and London to save money (as well as create a bit of atmosphere in one of the more dull fixtures of the year) and it could work out pretty well for both parties.
Yeah, I know there'd have to be some logistics to sort out like who gets priority where, season tickets, etc. but they aren't exactly unsolvable. 50/50 on the corporate sections. East Stand pass holders for one club get the upper tier of the West, South Stand pass holders for one club get the North Stand. Two double headers a year means both clubs have fans moved at least once. Two games for the price of one and a full house for a usually dead game or two.

As for merger talks, mergers are only for teams that are struggling. If we're both doing well in the same stadium, why would the RFL want two of the better clubs in the league to merge? What would your license grading be if you was at the KC? They wouldn't want to lose a highly placed club.

At the end of the day, I'm an RL fan before a Hull fan, and I think if the move is better for the game, it would be great. I'm not one to cut my nose off to spite my face. It may help Rovers a lot (even if it is temporary), but Hull should be looking to see what such a move can do to help them in as many ways as possible and if it can help us cut costs then we should be in favour of it.






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Jake the Peg wrote:We've got less attending now than we did in the early 80's at the Boulevard


Your average gates during the early eighties were around the 11,000 mark, in fact i was only looking at an old Hull fc programme recently, (old programmes something i used to collect once upon a time) it was Hull fc versus Widnes 1984 and the crowd was just under 11,000 that day with widnes been a top side then and bringing a decent contingent over
with them, as far as i can remember back in those days, it was usualy Hull getting beween 10 and 11000 on average at their peak and rovers getting around 9000 on aaverage at their peak, plus if i remember correctly Hulls crowds just prior to their departure from the old Boulevard were between 6 and 7 thousand, though im sure someone on these boards will have the exact figures at hand.

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cod'ead wrote:Really?

Do you seriously think they'd support Hull KR as well as Hull FC?

Remember, you'll be paying a damn sight more rent than you are currently, your ticket prices would have to increase. And you still reckon they'd rock up in droves?


You are obviously not understanding what i said very well are you?.
When i said we would get them from the same places you did i did'nt mean litteraly the same supporters, though i thought that was pretty obvious to be honest, i meant from the same places as in the streets and armchairs of the city.
As regards the rent, im not sure how that would work, usualy when teams share they do so to lessen the overal rental costs which are usualy shared equaly.

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Their were games at the Boulevard, when we hit "official" attendances of 16K 18K (I'm sure Wilf will have the figures) but they were halcyon days with a top side, playing sparkling rugby and winning trophies. It didn't last.
We had signs that we were getting up there again for a season or 2 after cardiff, but alas, the dour years have put as back a few thousand as we know. However I believe with a team playing good rugby again and winning a lot more than we lose then we will be back at around 16K. And that is Adams goal anyway.
Heavens above when we actually start winning trophies, I think 18K + is easily achievable. Armchair supporters will come out to support a winning team. Fc stay at homes are no different to any other. Just look at our Div 2 unbeaten championship winning season, those attendance were phenominal and helped build a platform for the later years of success. Sorry I am aware this is a HKR site and I'll refrain from further posting FC data on here. Was simply building on an earlier post.

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Mild Rover wrote:It's only so burdensome on FC because they pull in well over 7,500 fans. The ground rent wouldn't be that much more than repayments on the new North Stand.

Some would, and they'd no doubt be vocal. Enough to kill the club? Very possibly. But staying in an undeveloped Craven Park isn't viable long-term either - so it'd be more a case of no good options than idiocy.

I suspect, or hope at least, that the reality is different to what's on the surface.


Although I appreciate every opinion some fans are very blinkered towards east hull and hatred of all things west.
I live well out of town and have never lived in any part of hull. And I can tell you right now if we had to move to the kc for a hopefully limited time I have at least 20 friends who would pitch up there to watch rovers. The only reason they dont come now is the lack of choice of season ticket seats as they prefere that to standing.






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I'm not quite sure what the allegation by Rovers of a "lack of support" from the council is supposed to be.
The Council have agreed a central government loan for around £6m and are underwriting the element relating to the North Stand which is around £2m in the case of Rovers defaulting on repayments.

To complete the funding package a further £2.5m is needed from ERDF which is not yet signed off but which is being processed. It's a happy coincidence (no, really :lol: ) that the optimum location for a Hull Training centre for East Hull is at Craven Park rather than a more densely populated location better served by local transport.

Chuck in the peppercorn rent courtesy of the council and you'd be extremely hard-pressed to support the view that the council aren't doing their bit and then some in all this.

Self-sufficiency can be achieved via different routes. Why not just wait until the ERDF funding is processed (seems to be when, not if), dial down the level of salary cap spend for 2013 whilst the development is built then push on at Craven Park in 2014?

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Uppo58 wrote:Their were games at the Boulevard, when we hit "official" attendances of 16K 18K (I'm sure Wilf will have the figures) but they were halcyon days with a top side, playing sparkling rugby and winning trophies. It didn't last.
We had signs that we were getting up there again for a season or 2 after cardiff, but alas, the dour years have put as back a few thousand as we know. However I believe with a team playing good rugby again and winning a lot more than we lose then we will be back at around 16K. And that is Adams goal anyway.
Heavens above when we actually start winning trophies, I think 18K + is easily achievable. Armchair supporters will come out to support a winning team. Fc stay at homes are no different to any other. Just look at our Div 2 unbeaten championship winning season, those attendance were phenominal and helped build a platform for the later years of success. Sorry I am aware this is a HKR site and I'll refrain from further posting FC data on here. Was simply building on an earlier post.


I think you will find that the only times you reached 16 & 18000 at the Boulevard was when it was derby day, i can actualy remember been there on those occasions, i can also remember been at craven park one good friday in the very early eighties against Hull Fc and they let that many into the ground that they could'nt fit them all within the normal perimiters and so had to seat fans around the inner edge of the greyhound track with the outside edge been roped off.

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