I don't remember all this fuss over Raynor.

What he does in his spare time doesn't bother me, it's what he did on the pitch that counted.

If not for the modern media surrounding the game, he would still be an Hull KR player.

I have alot of time for him, on every occasion I've met him he's been brilliant.

Can I just clarify I don't condone what he's been up to. I just don't care about it. Gone are the days of news being news and not what David Beckham had for breakfast.

If they are calling them ugly and stinking because of their beliefs are attached to religion or their culture it is then racism..

You never asked a question though did you. You attempted to mock a poster and then ask that poster if he even knew what racism was when clearly you do not fully understand racism.

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) there is a direct link to how players behave on the pitch and how they behave off it. As a club we have to have an ethos of respect both to the club and to the fans. By being directly disrespectful to the management it can cause a ripple effect that the younger players who will start to behave in a similar manner to the the senior players. You see it all the time at sporting clubs, the terms drinking culture, gambling culture are often used and its never in positive terms either on or off the pitch.
Hudgell pushed the boundaries for Ben, because as he said he has a lot of time for the boys that got us up. Yet every time he drew a line Ben stepped over it. The last case was his least serious but the accumalatory effect couldn't be ignored.
For me the facebook one was the worst, that could directly effect both our clubs name and its ability to attract fans into the ground. Whether Ben is an out and out racist or just someone with latent (subconcious) racist predujices is now known but if I was an Asian man with a young family I'm not sure I'd be happy taking my kids to watch a club that idolises someone who openly expressed those views.
I've been accused with being 'anti-Ben', I assure you I'm not and would have loved it if non of these incidents had happened, or even if he'd learned after his first one, I liked him as a player, didn;t think he was the Billy Slater a lot made him out to be either but the correct, and only decision has been taken.

Talking to someone yesterday it would have been interesting to see which players would have fallen foul of club rules if twitter, facebook and mobile camera phones had been around in the 80's and early 90's.

Wasting your time, Phil is an apologist for a racist.

Unless I along with most other people misunderstood Cockayne and that he meant all extremists were stinking and ugly. Although that would of course include himself.

The rules were different then. It was a different era. Things that may have been acceptable then are not necessarily acceptable now.

Like Mick Crane nipping out to put a bet on at half time with a fag in his gob

Social norms have moved on, it is true. I'm very much looking forward to doing the same and sending the discussion of semantics to the Fev board or the Sin Bin.

From a purely rugby POV it did seem oddly fitting that the Charlie chant was killed by Rovers conceding a needless penalty.

He doesn't and by the looks of it neither do you. What does religion have to do with racism?? Nothing because it's not race specific is it. Anyone can be a muslim from Osama Bin Laden to you. Deary me I thought you was at least clued up a little bit

He made a racist comment about a taxi driver by abusing an Asian man using the term he did. He's gone it was the right decision and we move on. He might learn one day as doubtful as it looks

You never even bothered to open that link I posted for you did you!.....The fact you ask what does religion have to do with racism is very very scary. I have concluded you are not ignorant just thick!