Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
Scott_HKR wrote:I don't understand something. Am I an inferior supporter to others on here because I don't: a) Have access to how much players are paid etc. b) Search high and wide finding finance documents c) Know the smallest details about other clubs finances
I get the feeling the modern day supporter has to know this stuff? Or am I getting one persons obsessiveness mixed up with the template for a rugby league fan?
You don't have to know any of this stuff. But of the key license criteria, many are related to a club's financials. Turnover and solvency are the 2 most obvious but clearly these are partially linked to attendances and having a SL standard stadium. Many would be interested in where their club sits against the rest in these very important criteria. Wakefield for example have a better history in SL in terms of on the pitch performances than Cas, but Wakey lost £200k last year, and are struggling to finance a new stadium with poor attendances, so it's Cas, who made a profit last year and have new stadium plans more advanced than Wakefield, who look more likely to retain SL status. Nothing much between the 2 on the pitch, but it's the diverging picture off it that will shape their respective futures massively.
Joined: Jun 11 2007 Posts: 12260 Location: south of Hull.
Mrs Barista wrote:Can't quite get my head around the Widnes result. They only file a balance sheet, but O'Connor's comments are they turned over £2.5m. This on gates of 3,021, 10 home games @ say £15 =£0.45m. So they got another £2m from Northern Rail Cup, tv and sponsorship. This in the context of a target turnover to apply for a franchise of £1m. Must have a very generous sponsor. Harlequins only managed £2.1m turnover and they get SL Sky money.
Jeez Mrs B,you are just who I need to figure my finances out.How are you fixed?
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12670 Location: Leicestershire.
Mrs Barista wrote:You don't have to know any of this stuff. But of the key license criteria, many are related to a club's financials. Turnover and solvency are the 2 most obvious but clearly these are partially linked to attendances and having a SL standard stadium. Many would be interested in where their club sits against the rest in these very important criteria. Wakefield for example have a better history in SL in terms of on the pitch performances than Cas, but Wakey lost £200k last year, and are struggling to finance a new stadium with poor attendances, so it's Cas, who made a profit last year and have new stadium plans more advanced than Wakefield, who look more likely to retain SL status. Nothing much between the 2 on the pitch, but it's the diverging picture off it that will shape their respective futures massively.
Leeds apart, there is only the most tenuous link between profitability and funding a new stadium. You might be better able to persuade someone else to fund it if you show you will be able to generate enough profit to be a reliable tenant, I suppose. Owning your own ground, to be sold to fund a new one, or having a well disposed local authority are the key elements. The mundane, dreary details of the RL business have been made more prominent at the expense of RL as a sport by licensing. This realism is maybe sensible, and may even provide benefits, but being a fan is meant to be primarily about escapism and excitement, IMO.
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Joined: May 24 2007 Posts: 7504 Location: East Stand
Scott_HKR wrote:I don't understand something. Am I an inferior supporter to others on here because I don't: a) Have access to how much players are paid etc. b) Search high and wide finding finance documents c) Know the smallest details about other clubs finances
I get the feeling the modern day supporter has to know this stuff? Or am I getting one persons obsessiveness mixed up with the template for a rugby league fan?
Yup
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Joined: Aug 24 2005 Posts: 15807 Location: East Hull
Mrs Barista wrote:You don't have to know any of this stuff. But of the key license criteria, many are related to a club's financials. Turnover and solvency are the 2 most obvious but clearly these are partially linked to attendances and having a SL standard stadium. Many would be interested in where their club sits against the rest in these very important criteria. Wakefield for example have a better history in SL in terms of on the pitch performances than Cas, but Wakey lost £200k last year, and are struggling to finance a new stadium with poor attendances, so it's Cas, who made a profit last year and have new stadium plans more advanced than Wakefield, who look more likely to retain SL status. Nothing much between the 2 on the pitch, but it's the diverging picture off it that will shape their respective futures massively.
So is it true you spent £12 to read the accounts of some of the SL clubs?
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Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
Roofs wrote:So is it true you spent £12 to read the accounts of some of the SL clubs?
No, actually, £12 for this year's and £12 for last year's. Less than the difference between adult pass prices at the KC and Craven Park, so even with this expense, I'm still better off than a Rovers passholder and I have some lovely accounts to read.
Besides, if I didn't post this stuff, who would Chang and his buddies have to bleat about on the hidden board?
Mrs Barista wrote:No, actually, £12 for this year's and £12 for last year's. Less than the difference between adult pass prices at the KC and Craven Park, so even with this expense, I'm still better off than a Rovers passholder and I have some lovely accounts to read.
Besides, if I didn't post this stuff, who would Chang and his buddies have to bleat about on the hidden board?
A hidden board ?
Please explain how any board on the internet can be hidden
If you mean a select board where supporters of that team can post without having the trolls / misfits / green eyed / chairman stalkers then yes please
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Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
Bertie wrote:A hidden board ?
It's hidden from me. I seemed to get banned/deleted, despite never having posted?
Bertie wrote:
If you mean a select board where supporters of that team can post without having the trolls / misfits / green eyed / chairman stalkers then yes please
It was probably that...
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Joined: Aug 24 2005 Posts: 15807 Location: East Hull
Mrs Barista wrote:No, actually, £12 for this year's and £12 for last year's. Less than the difference between adult pass prices at the KC and Craven Park, so even with this expense, I'm still better off than a Rovers passholder and I have some lovely accounts to read.
Besides, if I didn't post this stuff, who would Chang and his buddies have to bleat about on the hidden board?
What's the point though when all club accounts get revealed for free in the press (in good time) anyway?
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Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29811 Location: West Yorkshire
Roofs wrote:What's the point though when all club accounts get revealed for free in the press (in good time) anyway?
Some clubs are a bit selective with what goes in the press and some newspapers print one-eyed and irrelevant comparators. Having the actual accounts mean you can judge for yourself.
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