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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:20 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Boost for the Crusaders game
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Kosh wrote:Why do we need to? Are Crusaders the only club competing with Wakey for a licence or something?

You come up with a reason why you blame the crusaders fans yet?

Once again, Wakey are not competing with Crusaders alone. Not sure why you think they are TBH.

As for help - what direct help have Crusaders had that was denied to Wakey?

And how many seasons were Wakey allowed to get away with unfulfilled promises?

Firstly, I never said I blamed the fans, just don't feel sorry for them. So you're off to a great start there.
Secondly, who saved Crusaders in the off season? Where was that generosity for Wakey?
And lastly, its widely expected that Wakey will go and I'm looking for someone to give me a reason why Crusaders should get a license instead.
Your continuous avoidance of answering the question I'll take as you can't think of one.
But thanks for your input.

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east hull FC fan wrote:Firstly, I never said I blamed the fans, just don't feel sorry for them. So you're off to a great start there.
Secondly, who saved Crusaders in the off season? Where was that generosity for Wakey?
And lastly, its widely expected that Wakey will go and I'm looking for someone to give me a reason why Crusaders should get a license instead.
Your continuous avoidance of answering the question I'll take as you can't think of one.
But thanks for your input.


you need to get in touch with the people at the S/L with your concerns,

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:13 pm 
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east hull FC fan wrote:Firstly, I never said I blamed the fans, just don't feel sorry for them. So you're off to a great start there.

Same difference IMO. The only reason I can think of not to feel sorry for a set of fans is if you blame them for something, and the rest of that post was a rant about Crusaders being a joke club so the connection appeared to be clear.

east hull FC fan wrote:Secondly, who saved Crusaders in the off season? Where was that generosity for Wakey?

What are you talking about? Crusaders were saved because the owners re-financed the club. Part of that re-financing package was a mortgage on the ground against a loan from the RFL. I'm sure Wakey could have put together a similar package if only they hadn't already sold their ground and blown the proceeds

Or are you one of the people who thinks that the RFL gave Crusaders some free money without having checked the facts?

east hull FC fan wrote:And lastly, its widely expected that Wakey will go and I'm looking for someone to give me a reason why Crusaders should get a license instead.
Your continuous avoidance of answering the question I'll take as you can't think of one.
But thanks for your input.

If I had ever suggested that Crusaders should get a licence ahead of Wakey - or indeed anyone else - then you might have a point. As it is you're asking me to defend a position that I simply haven't taken. You might try reading posts before reacting to who posted them. And Wakey may well be 'widely expected' to not get a franchise, but the facts are that they're still in the process and up against every existing SL club as well as (in theory) Fax and Barrow. It's not a straight shoot-out between them and Crusaders, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.






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Kosh wrote:Same difference IMO. The only reason I can think of not to feel sorry for a set of fans is if you blame them for something, and the rest of that post was a rant about Crusaders being a joke club so the connection appeared to be clear.

What could I possibly blame them for? I don't feel sorry for them because they've only had an RL team for 5 minutes and it's hardly like I said they shouldn't exist. They are a joke club, only slightly more than Wakefield I admit, but Wakey's fans have had their team for over 100 years and have a true tradition in the game, they should be the fans to feel sorry for.

Kosh wrote:What are you talking about? Crusaders were saved because the owners re-financed the club. Part of that re-financing package was a mortgage on the ground against a loan from the RFL. I'm sure Wakey could have put together a similar package if only they hadn't already sold their ground and blown the proceeds
This part is laughable, Wakey made several attempts with the RFL, who basically snubbed them to help Crusaders. A club with a 100 year history deserves to be treat better, especially when it wasn't the owners who had got them in the mess in the first place asking.


Kosh wrote:If I had ever suggested that Crusaders should get a licence ahead of Wakey - or indeed anyone else - then you might have a point.

I never suggested you did, I posted a question, it was you that reacted.

Kosh wrote:You might try reading posts before reacting to who posted them.
Again, you reacted first. So you're making yourslef look silly saying things like this.

Kosh wrote:And Wakey may well be 'widely expected' to not get a franchise, but the facts are that they're still in the process and up against every existing SL club as well as (in theory) Fax and Barrow. It's not a straight shoot-out between them and Crusaders, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.
Of course it is. Although i'm sure you're being more niggly with this comment than naive.

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east hull FC fan wrote:What could I possibly blame them for? I don't feel sorry for them because they've only had an RL team for 5 minutes and it's hardly like I said they shouldn't exist. They are a joke club, only slightly more than Wakefield I admit, but Wakey's fans have had their team for over 100 years and have a true tradition in the game, they should be the fans to feel sorry for.

Ah, right. So we should only treat fans with respect if they support heartlands teams, is that it?

east hull FC fan wrote:This part is laughable, Wakey made several attempts with the RFL, who basically snubbed them to help Crusaders.

Feel free to provide details. I'm sure you'll easily be able to prove that Wakey had several requests for a loan secured against their ground turned down by the RFL.

east hull FC fan wrote:Of course it is. Although i'm sure you're being more niggly with this comment than naive.

I can't help how paranoid you are. I just stated the facts. Presumably if Wakey don't lose their franchise that will still somehow be an RFL plot?






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