Thanks for that i'm HKR through and through,number plate and all,first game when i was 6(now in 40's)it's just really painful to watch us going backwards at the minute with no real signs of a turnround in sight.I do beleive though we have quite a few players at the club who have overacheived and are now getting found out and we need to be honest about that.

No need to thank me, sorry for the earlier attitude, you shouldn't have to prove your self to anyone on here.

I can see where you're coming from, but I genuinely feel that after five years of continual improvement that Morgan has earned a bad season. If we're in this position, this time next year then that would be a major problem. However, Morgan has shaped the playing side of the club from top to bottom so if he does go/we were to get rid then it would take a complete and utter overhaul of that side of the club. Everything would have to change and that doesn't happen overnight. We'd effectively have to write off this season, next season and the season after that. I've seen some really terrible Rovers teams over the years but attendances would be hugely affected by that with all the (welcome in my eyes, apart from when they're standing in my spot, obviously!) new comers.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but the club needs to be a position to finance itself.

Tony Smith didn't need to give warrington a major overhaul when he replaced Cullen (Via a certain dirty hooker).

They had a much, much better squad than we currently have.

What is the actual alternative pmh...you really think that JM can overturn all evidence and get the current squad to challenge the top four or five..??? He assembled the squad at his own free will , incorrectly in my view , and must stand or fall by that......if we continue with the current modus operandi we will be competing with the likes of (no disrespect intended) Wakefield, Bradford, Salford etc for some time to come..no real chance of ever winning things but getting the odd good few results...(and despite the result against a poor Hull side in the play off match, last season was not an improvement on the prior season in any shape...so not really "five years of continual improvement"..more like four then two backwards )..

It really depends on the mid to long term ambitions of the club but short term pain for long term gain may be the only answer...

still baffling how nev gets in the 17 ahead of others, i can deal with him being a back up player who doesn't let you down and is cheap and home grown/fed or whatever it is this week, but he's a blue eyed boy and i dont get it.

I think he's actually got green eyes I know were Ur coming from we do have better players out there, I don't get Morgans squad rotation thing ok over the Easter holidays but why play Ur oldest player for all 3 games knacker him out and rotate the rest, and he needs to stop playing hodgson in the 2nd row he is not meant to play there, the hookers are more affective been spelled, I would start with Josh then bring fisher on, let's hope morgs gets it right this weekend.

I can see your point but I don't think it's time to be calling for Morgans head just yet, he still has 'too many runs on the board' for us to turn on him after one bad half of a season but this may be a wake up call for him and the fans that we aren't the world beaters we maybe thought we were.

This period will make or break JM, if he can turn this around and get us on track it will make him a far better coach for it, you learn far more about someone in difficult times than you do in good times.
I think Morgans got a year to turn it around. He needs to improve this season, recruitment needs to be around the current failings and then IF he doesn;t improve by this time next year then the real questions need asking.

No. We do not have the quality in the squad for a top four finish.



He did, but with the club in the position that it is/was, who else was available? We've not won anything for nearly thirty years, we're not flush with cash, our coach is not known in Australia. we're not in a position to be signing the top players.

I forget who other clubs have signed in similar positions, I suppose the really big glaring error of this off season is that both us and Huddersfield were apparently in for Mason, we got him and they got O'Donnell, probably for a lot less.

You're far more clued up on this sort of thing than me but we appear to have severely limited our selves by only dealing (more or less) with Riolo in Australia and Howes over here. Why/how did this happen?

I whole heartedly think that we'll never challenge for as long as we rely on signing a whole team (Be they Antipodeans or whoever) and that you have to have a production line of your own talent and then use signings to cherry pick marquee players for specialist roles.

Has Morgan done enough to recruit and develop a new generation of talent quick enough? I don't know enough about the inner workings of the club to answer that, but from time to time people who appear to have some sort of inside track have been quite critical on here.



For me, 2009 was a bit of a fluke. In those first seasons we seemed to do a pre season that was geared to coming out of the blocks quickly and getting points on the board and then try to hold on as long as we could. That combined with other teams having awful seasons led to us being in a bit of a false position. Last season we seemed to be looking to gradually aim to peak for the end of the season which we sort of did. This season has obviously gone badly wrong. If we're in this position this time next year then I think that wholesale changes would be absolutely imperative.

Bit of a rambling post that, which I haven't really read back. I'm sure it's a bit inconsistent so feel free to pick it to bits! It's good to be having some proper thought out debate on here.

in the hull daily comic morgs is changing his training tactics hip hip hooray