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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:11 pm 
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His Bobness wrote:Mika is the only 100% Craig Sandercock signing the only one Rovers had not been talking to already. Sandy was very keen to get him and persuaded him to reject Cas who were about to announce him as their player. Sandy also had to ditch Taulapapa to make room.

So the coach clearly rates Mika and when you have people like Brian Smith talking in raptures about the ability of the player then obviously Mika is a very exciting prospect. He is said to run & tackle extremely hard - hence the nickname 'Mika the Mack Truck' and has a great offloading game. Brian Smith said of him that when Mika runs at you then you find out how good your tackling technique is but that also he has the skills of a half back.

It's true he has not yet fulfilled his massive potential mainly due to injury but he's still pretty young at age 22. We will have to see how he performs for us only time will tell but I think we are entitled to be a bit excited by this player.


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Mika was a big junior signing for the Knights.
He was basically the best 19 year old at the Warriors when the Knights signed him and the Warriors have produced the best juniors over the last few years.
He's had a lot of injuries since, and has only shown glimpses of his potential.
Last year he did virtually no off season training and spent most of the season unfit and suffering a back injury, but he finished the season strongly with good form in the NSW cup and if he has had a chance to get in a good off season he should start next year in career best form.
Sandercock knows better than anyone else where he is at injury wise, because he was his coach last year.

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I think we'll be better this year than we were last, Our end of season position was very flattering for how bad we'd been for huge chunks of the season and in all fairness I wouldn't have been too surprised if we'd finished 10 - 11th. I can see us finishing in a similar position but performing better. Looking forward to this year far more than I was last year (Mason aside)

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Had Dobson been fit at the start of last season we'd have finished higher. Now I do think Dobson has a lot to learn in the game still, he's been found out by a fair few clubs and needs to bring something more next season. However against FC in the first game we were poor at the start of the game but came back brilliantly to win the game. This said it was Hull's own fault for burning themselves out too quickly, I do not think this would have happened had Agar not been in charge.

At Warrington we were clearly the better side for most of the game but due to Dobson limping off and I think we lost a couple of others in that game too we got pipped at the end.

Along with some of the other games you'd have put a 'W' next to our final position should and would have been around 5th if not 4th. That just shows you how vital keeping our halves on the pitch together is for this season coming.

As they say your forwards win you matches the backs just determine by how many. With a pack that can boast 11 prop options without including the academy lads not training full time yet and a back row that could see us take the field with 5 props smashing at a defence, it would seem on paper our pack is more versatile and destructive than any other in the league.

If we did however then lose Dobson or Green we have Withers who I hear has been looking very good in training. Carlisle and Hodgson would then play the hooking role which IMO loses nothing around the ruck.

Finishing positions worked on teams going the full season uninjured I would say we are a top 6 side but you have to put Saints, Warrington, Wigan, Leeds and Hudds above us with Catalans, Hull FC, Castleford all around the same area as us. Bradford will no doubt be up there putting in tough displays and may well surprise a few clubs. That leaves Wakey, Widnes, Salford and the Bronco's that IMO will make up the bottom sector.

This all depends on how sides gel, a few clubs have made surplus of 7 new signings which is a big number when you look at the top clubs who rarely make more than 3 and consistency is key to their success.






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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:26 pm 
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nick hkr wrote:with 5 props smashing at a defence, it would seem on paper our pack is more versatile and destructive than any other in the league.

Aren't your first choice props O'Hara and Clinton? They broke 14 tackles between them last season in 36 games. Dowes alone broke 17 tackles in 19 games. You have large numbers of forwards, for sure, and I think Paea will be a very good signing, but your props "defence-smashing destruction" stats are a bit tenuous at this point, I'd suggest.

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Whilst destructive isn't a description I would of used it will be interesting to see how the forwards work as a unit.
More mobile forwards make more metres and generally utilize a quicker play the ball which gives the halves space to attack a static or retreating defensive line.
O Hara made decent metres in a poor side last year and Clinton hopefully feels he has a point to prove.
Paea it seems is the forward who when brought on will be expected to punch holes so its a decent mix.

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Mrs Barista wrote:Aren't your first choice props O'Hara and Clinton? They broke 14 tackles between them last season in 36 games. Dowes alone broke 17 tackles in 19 games. You have large numbers of forwards, for sure, and I think Paea will be a very good signing, but your props "defence-smashing destruction" stats are a bit tenuous at this point, I'd suggest.


At this stage I do not think we have first choice props? Clinton hasn't had a good game in over a year while O'Hara has more qualities than just tackle busting. The other thing to consider is game plans. Some coaches like to see a break down the middle by a big bloke others like to see him make the defenders work hard so they are tired later in the game.

Think one supporters starting line up will differ to someone elses. Some would have Murrell others Galea at loose forward while it seems Lovegrove is an option here and Watts has always performed in that position. So to say Clinton and O'Hara will be first choice is a bit premature when there are so many others training hard to become those first choice.

Don't always read too much in to squad numbers.






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A bit short of cover in the backs, a bit short of quality in the front row.

Like a few clubs you could finish anywhere between 3rd and 12th.

If you get Paea's and Mika's fitness sorted you could do very well.






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Sheldon wrote:A bit short of cover in the backs, a bit short of quality in the front row.

Like a few clubs you could finish anywhere between 3rd and 12th.

If you get Paea's and Mika's fitness sorted you could do very well.


O'Hara
Clinton
Paea
Taylor
Watts
Lovegrove
Netherton
Wheeldon

I wouldn't say short on quality. I would say its a case of finding the best combination.






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nick hkr wrote:At this stage I do not think we have first choice props? Clinton hasn't had a good game in over a year while O'Hara has more qualities than just tackle busting. The other thing to consider is game plans. Some coaches like to see a break down the middle by a big bloke others like to see him make the defenders work hard so they are tired later in the game.

Think one supporters starting line up will differ to someone elses. Some would have Murrell others Galea at loose forward while it seems Lovegrove is an option here and Watts has always performed in that position. So to say Clinton and O'Hara will be first choice is a bit premature when there are so many others training hard to become those first choice.

Don't always read too much in to squad numbers.

The former group being loons, though.

There's little doubt that Rovers have multiple options in the forwards which has to be a good thing. Question marks at this point more around quality cover in positions 1-7 I'd have thought.

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