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SirStan wrote:I'm not so sure. I think he has been harshly treated by Rovers (or more specifically, Morgan), but he has genuinely played very well whenever he got the chance. I'm not convinced Cook out, Horne in is an improvement in terms of back row quality, however GH has more utility value. Cook will go very well down in London I'd expect.
Cook's problem has been that he is an out and out second rower, and Galea and Newton both do long minutes. He'd have been even more knacked if Mason had stayed. The oft made comparison with Netherton ignores the fact that JN is a prop. Quins will hopefully be a better fit for the kid - he is a good player.
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I am a Matt Cook fan, very good with ball in hand with strong running. However, I have noticed that in defence he is very slow getting up off the floor and also on the goal line he has let in 3 or 4 easy tries. Not every player is perfect, however I can see why he has been left out on occasions. Like said previously, it gave some people a nice big stick to beat Morgan with.
O'hara is a good signing as is horne,if horne wasnt a former fc player we would be more than happy,a good utility man can be crucial. As for netherton,gives 100% every game but would not shine in a lower league just not s/l standard.!
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Old_Faithful_IAKW wrote:Now GH's signing is official, I'm interested as to where you feel he'll fit in? He's recently played at centre, a position many Giants fans feel is his best, but he won't be starting centre for Hull KR will he? Infact, I'd suggest Hall, Welham and Webster would all be ahead of him.
His second most recognised position is second row - but if Matt Cook, one of your best players IMO, can't force his way into the team, I doubt Horne can. If Newton/Cook are leaving then perhaps he will fit in here?
I know you'll suggest that he's just coming in as back up, but I'm not sure he is. Why would he leave Huddersfield, where he was a utility back up player, to come to a side half as good? (Only reason would be to move closer to home)
I suspect due to no contract offer on the table from huddersfield, they are upgrading young players contracts like mcgilvray and lawrence and bringing in the odd player like chan so I suspect salary cap pressures mean they have to move on squad players like horne and older lads like hodgson.
Horne is an average squad player and will do the job required of him at rovers I suspect most of his games will be from the bench, will play more than matt cook has and will cost less.
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Mild Rover wrote:Cook's problem has been that he is an out and out second rower, and Galea and Newton both do long minutes. He'd have been even more knacked if Mason had stayed. The oft made comparison with Netherton ignores the fact that JN is a prop. Quins will hopefully be a better fit for the kid - he is a good player.
Netherton may well be playing prop but he is totally ineffective in that position.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Netherton may well be playing prop but he is totally ineffective in that position.
agree with you there GG, hope the new coach realises that nev is purely a tackling 2nd row and uses him as such instead of flogging the dead horse that is playing him at prop!
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Netherton may well be playing prop but he is totally ineffective in that position.
Which is then an argument to play Wheeldon, Watts, Lovegrove or whoever else misses out in any given week.
While Netherton's stats are not good - but there is no stat for speed of ptb, either when he's been tackled or from the tackles he makes. And that is what allows us to get a roll on or get a defensive line set and then up quickly.
If our other bench prop was a tackle-busting, offloading, defensively suspect, knackered after 10 minutes type, then JN would balance that well. Our problem, IMO, is that we've become all bread and no jam.
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Mild Rover wrote:Which is then an argument to play Wheeldon, Watts, Lovegrove or whoever else misses out in any given week.
While Netherton's stats are not good - but there is no stat for speed of ptb, either when he's been tackled or from the tackles he makes. And that is what allows us to get a roll on or get a defensive line set and then up quickly.
If our other bench prop was a tackle-busting, offloading, defensively suspect, knackered after 10 minutes type, then JN would balance that well. Our problem, IMO, is that we've become all bread and no jam.
Netherons ptb speed is no quicker than any of the players you mentioned there so let's put this non existent argument to bed right now. All three players mentioned plus Taylor are much better front rowers than Jase both in terms of effectiveness and technique.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Netherons ptb speed is no quicker than any of the players you mentioned there so let's put this non existent argument to bed right now.
No...
Gordon Gekko wrote:All three players mentioned plus Taylor are much better front rowers than Jase both in terms of effectiveness and technique.
...but, assuming they are close to their best and fit I wouldn't have Netherton in the 17. I'll be interested to see what a new coach makes of it. And how he sees a couple of younger players who started out as back-rowers and are used as props by JM.
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and will cost less.
