No he was making the point that it is easier for teams coming into SL to compete quicker due to the salary cap. I was pointing out how wrong he was using Cas and Catalans as an example as both should have been relegated having just been promoted. The thing that kept them in SL was the RFL.

His same point cannot now be proven because there is no promotion or relegation, but the two new sides in this years SL finished bottom and second botton, again disproving his point.

Actually it highlights how unstable a newly promoted team can be, take cats for example should have been relegated, by the 3rd season finished 3rd, not the best of seasons this year, yet here they are in the semi-final play-offs.

It wasn't the salary cap that helped them finish higher though, it was better recruitment and better players and a helping hand from their special dispensation

Yes it does, My point was it's easier to progress quickly. Your the one bring in the irrelevant points

My point is it is easier to build a decent side quickly because all teams are able to compete financially. Unlike when hull were promoted when all the best sides could spend millions more and also didn't have to offload players.

Celtics have struggled because they do not have the resources and also have been thrown in at the deep end whereas Rovers and Castleford had a nucleus to build on.

Salford and Celtics won't disprove my point until they have had 3 years as I was comparing your teams first 3 years and my teams first 3 years

Cant really see what your driving at....

Hull KR
2007 - 11th
2008 - 7th
2009 - 4th lose our first 2 playoff games
= progress

Hull FC
1998 - 9th out of 12
1999 - 13th out of 14
2000 - 7th after merger with a far better side
2001 - 3rd, 4 years to make the playoffs then lose first 2 playoff games (no better than rovers then)
2002 - 5th, lose playoff again
2003 - 7th
2004 - 3rd, lose playoff again
2005 - 5th, win first ever playoff game after 5th attempt then lose 71 - 0 to bradford
2006 - 2nd, get to final but lose again so still no S/L trophy to shout about.
2007 - 4th, win one lose one
2008 - 11th
2009 - 12th
= decline

So it took hull 4 yrs to reach the playoffs and 8 yrs to win first playoff game, come back in 5 years and see how we are doing

really impressive 12yrs in super league...............NOT

Oh, and i nearly forgot, we are 7-3 up in derbies and by the next good friday derby we will have had the bragging rights for 958 of the 1089 days since we joined S/L.

Challenge cup win and g/final more than most teams have achieved

Edited. May as well bold your losses too, or it doesn't look as though they mean as much as they clearly do.

PS - your calculation of how many days bragging rights you may have had puts Mrs B to shame. Can we start giving you the same level of abuse as she gets on your board?

So your classing not winning anything in 2006 as an achievement...... OK
We've achieved that this year as well, cheers

when did I go all saddo and mention 2006, I merely pointed out we had won the challenge cup and played in a g/.final

Are you still sulking