Joined: Oct 15 2008 Posts: 1944 Location: east hull
rover49 wrote:Why has Netherton all of a sudden becomne a scapegoat, in all the time he has played for us he has never let us down and given 100% to the cause. Some on here seem to think we can have world class from 1 to 17, well unfortunately this is the real world not the land of make believe. I would have Netherton in the 17 every week, you know he will give is all when he is on.
hes always been my scapegoat, because he offers nothing, doesnt make yards, people go on about his tackling, but does he do 35/40 a game, i doubt it very much. i wont knock the kid for his effort, he does as you say give it everything, but his everything just isnt good enough IMO.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12667 Location: Leicestershire.
Mrs Barista wrote:The challenge with moving, say, 5 or 6 players on, especially if they are first teamers like Vella, Galea, Briscoe, Cockayne, Colbon, Fisher, is that there are not loads of players available in the market, particularly as I think that you only have Galea's overseas spot to use so the rest must be replaced with non quota. FC were in the market for a prop last season, pursued LMS and Fielden for ages and came up with neither, hence re-signing Radford and Dowes. Whilst fans of all teams not performing that well demand wholesale changes, the reality is that there are few players on the open market, and the real gems amongst younger British players are signed up long term and their current clubs will do everything they can to retain them. It's a tough market IMO.
Yes, I'd agree with that. We need to be replacing (fed-trained/exempt) retiring players with roughly the same number of our own players coming through the ranks each year to be pulling our weight. We should now be getting to the point where that is realistic expectation.
Where we are 'swapping' players with other SL clubs, improving the squad is going to be difficult in a highly competitive market. There might still be value in refreshing it though.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
After 4 generally happy seasons in SL, everything seems to have gone wrong at once. Along with Crusaders we've won the fewest games in SL. There's no disguising that we are currently poor. The game has evolved even since 2009 - I think we've tried to evolve with it, but not really succeeded. Patience and containment aren't enough anywhere near often enough - I haven't checked but it seems to be a much more free-scoring competition than 2 years ago. Dobson's prolonged absence offers some mitigation, but there is more to it than that IMO - and we aren't the only club to lose key players to injury.
So, anyway, I want to cast around for some positives...
We've got 3 games we'd hope (and even now, expect) to have a decent chance in coming up - and we need some league points for morale as much as anything else.
I tend to look towards Catalans previous season for a measure what we might do each year, as they entered SL a year before us. And it hasn't been a bad estimate. They of course 'won' the spoon last year - but are showing it is possible to bounce back from that.
There are some bright spots - Taylor and Green. Hodgson and Latus are getting better. Welham has been excellent.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger (supposedly) and there is no relegation at least!
Welham is a good lad and will get even better imo..He will be a seasoned International by the time his career is over. I liked the look of that Latus, defended very well. I thought your team defended well overall tbh.
When you see the likes of Frankie Mariano performing brilliantly for Wakefield, it makes you wonder what the hell were we thinking when letting him go. Did Mariano have to leave in order to leave cap for Mason. Everyone can see the build that Mariano has and raw talent meant that he could have made it with more experience, maybe even the next Phil Lowe. At a crucial age for getting to the 'next step', why didn't Rovers allow him to leave, but only on a loan basis to Wakey, he is looking a fine player. Isn't he a homegrown player too? Invaluable in the modern day. The way Morgan has shunned the lad means that there is little chance he would ever return to Rovers if Wakey's franchise bid goes belly up.
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rover49 wrote:Why has Netherton all of a sudden becomne a scapegoat, in all the time he has played for us he has never let us down and given 100% to the cause. Some on here seem to think we can have world class from 1 to 17, well unfortunately this is the real world not the land of make believe. I would have Netherton in the 17 every week, you know he will give is all when he is on.
In that case when Galea leaves lets go and get Iain Morrison back shall we? Infact no we had better not as Iain Morrison is a better defender but he actually looks like he is going to break a tackle now and then. In 2007,2008,2009,2010,2011 he made a total of 40 (Yes 40) tackle breaks now for a foward to make 0.48 tackle breaks per game is bloody awful. Joel Clinton made an average of 0.59 BTW as an example in the past year and a half. In 2007,2008,2009,2010,2011 he made a total of 11 (Yes 11) off loads now that is 0.13 per game. Joel Clinton made an average of 0.56 BTW as an example in the past year and a half. Im sorry that is not SL standard.
Joined: Sep 03 2009 Posts: 121 Location: east of the river
tonylRobin wrote:hes always been my scapegoat, because he offers nothing, doesnt make yards, people go on about his tackling, but does he do 35/40 a game, i doubt it very much. i wont knock the kid for his effort, he does as you say give it everything, but his everything just isnt good enough IMO.
Joined: Sep 23 2003 Posts: 14306 Location: East Hull
tonylRobin wrote:hes always been my scapegoat, because he offers nothing, doesnt make yards, people go on about his tackling, but does he do 35/40 a game, i doubt it very much. i wont knock the kid for his effort, he does as you say give it everything, but his everything just isnt good enough IMO.
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Joined: May 30 2009 Posts: 999 Location: EAST HULL TILL I DIE!!!
i've never rated him as a sl player, should have gone after the first year in sl. cheap on the cap and helping with the homegrown rules etc is one thing but there are better players who seem to be lower in the pecking order imo.
Joined: Mar 25 2008 Posts: 3679 Location: God's county
Personally think this thread is a lot of melodrama. We are 11 games into a 27 game season and haven't had a single round of the cup. I fully expect us to go on to make the play-offs and there is no reason we shouldn't progress to the latter stages of the cup. We have our best players returning and the hardest run of games in the season over with. In terms of a clear out, it's time Netherton was on his way and we need a quality winger and prop but we still have the spine of a very good team. Give over with your knee jerk reactions.
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12667 Location: Leicestershire.
EL CAMO wrote:Personally think this thread is a lot of melodrama. We are 11 games into a 27 game season and haven't had a single round of the cup. I fully expect us to go on to make the play-offs and there is no reason we shouldn't progress to the latter stages of the cup. We have our best players returning and the hardest run of games in the season over with. In terms of a clear out, it's time Netherton was on his way and we need a quality winger and prop but we still have the spine of a very good team. Give over with your knee jerk reactions.
Fair post - but to reach 8th we'd need ~13 wins. That'd mean winning 10 of the last 16 - to me that looks a distant prospect at the moment. However, if we could put a run of form together, starting now, then I agree the season SL isn't a write-off yet. And hopefully the cup will offer some thrills.
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