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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:26 am 
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IMG Give Seven Clubs Grade A Status
Seven Betfred Super League clubs have been awarded Grade A status in the indicative phase of the new club grading process that is being introduced as part of Rugby League Commercial and IMG's ‘Reimagining Rugby League' strategy.

Leeds Rhinos lead the way, following detailed analysis of every club's performance under five pillars – On-Field Performance, Fandom, Finances, Stadium and Community.

But they are run very close by three other clubs with Wigan Warriors, St Helens and Catalans Dragons all close behind.


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IMG Give Seven Clubs Grade A Status
Seven Betfred Super League clubs have been awarded Grade A status in the indicative phase of the new club grading process that is being introduced as part of Rugby League Commercial and IMG's ‘Reimagining Rugby League' strategy.

Leeds Rhinos lead the way, following detailed analysis of every club's performance under five pillars – On-Field Performance, Fandom, Finances, Stadium and Community.

But they are run very close by three other clubs with Wigan Warriors, St Helens and Catalans Dragons all close behind.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:20 am 
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Dons rated 23rd of the 35 Clubs given a rating (Newcastle included).

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Wanderer wrote:Dons rated 23rd of the 35 Clubs given a rating (Newcastle included).

Yes, strange that Newcastle are ranked 18th. You obviously don't lose any IMG points for withdrawing from the competition! :lol:

I appreciate Newcastle haven't given up hope of playing next season - I hope they do - but it's difficult to understand why they should get such a high rating or even be included in the list in the first place.

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Interesting comments released from Fev on IMG:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/featherstone-rovers-img-super-league-27978449

I agree that the lack of transparency on how teams are assessed is problematical. All hell might break loose when the definite grades are released next year to determine which teams will be in Super League in 2025.

I feel sorry for London Bronco's as they're already doomed to be relegated before the 2024 season has started!
Interesting comments released from Fev on IMG:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/featherstone-rovers-img-super-league-27978449

I agree that the lack of transparency on how teams are assessed is problematical. All hell might break loose when the definite grades are released next year to determine which teams will be in Super League in 2025.

I feel sorry for London Bronco's as they're already doomed to be relegated before the 2024 season has started!

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Having had some time to digest where everything is going with IMG, it seems inevitable that at some point there will be 14 teams that get 'A' grades. At that point Super League will be a closed shop - teams with an 'A' grade cannot be relegated. If teams have Super League aspirations, they've not got long to get their acts together to achieve it - maybe two or three seasons - otherwise they could be left out in the cold indefinitely.

I believe brand new gradings will be issued next June/July with the top 12 teams being in Super League in 2025. The Championship league table won't be completely irrelevant but if team three is going up, it certainly demeans the value of the on-field competition. The Championship Grand Final won't have the same meaning.

Promotion and relegation between the Championship and League One will remains the same as now.

I'm all for trying to drive up standards by encouraging clubs to do more of the right things but no promotion and relegation to Super League doesn't sit comfortably with me. We all need to have the hope that one day we could be in the top flight. It might never happen - and probably won't for most clubs - but take away the hope and you rip the heart and soul out of the game.

Once the drawbridge is pulled up, where will that leave the Championship?

What does everyone else think?

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Double Movement wrote:I feel sorry for London Bronco's as they're already doomed to be relegated before the 2024 season has started!

Yes, hardly worth them bothering. How long before they and a few others either throw the towel in or find life in RL unsustainable?

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Wanderer wrote:Yes, hardly worth them bothering. How long before they and a few others either throw the towel in or find life in RL unsustainable?

There was talk of London goimg full-time next season but it seems very unlikely that would be sustainable in 2025 when they're back in the Championship.

In truth, it would have been hard for them not to get relegated under the present system but at least they would have had a chance.

We no longer have an on-field competition that determines a team's fate, we have a scramble to get an 'A' grade. Once all 'A' grades have been taken, the rest are permanently left out in the cold.

As Wanderer says, how long before some teams decide to throw in the towel?

I'm not pretending that sorting the game's problems is easy but the IMG proposals will create a cosy closed shop that will benefit the top teams at the expense of the rest.

The Dons relatively high rating of 23 out of 35 suggests that if there is a cull of the bottom 11 teams - to create two leagues of 12 - we should be safe. We've been the tail end Charlies for many a year and without the tolerance of others at that time, we could have been cut adrift and booted out. As an RL community, we need to be supporting each other and building a better future together, not threatening those at the bottom with extinction.

The Dons rating is likely to rise in 2024 as winning the play-off final will replace our achievements in the 'discarded year' as only the last three seasons count for this part of the rating.

There are 91 variables included in a rating. To get an 'A' rating, a team must score 15 points, to get a 'B' rating you need 7.5 points. Under 7.5 is a 'C'. The race to be in the top 12 for 2024 - to get a Super League place in 2025 - is likely to be close.

Present ratings:

10 Toulouse 12.97
11 Wakey 12.52
12 Leigh 12.45
13 Cas 12.16
14 Bradford 12.02
15 Fev 10.65

IMG points will not determine places in the Championship and League One. The bottom two are relegated with two coming up from League One.

Up to 1.5 points can be awarded based on 'catchment'. Teams that are geographically close together get punished. This could well be the item that makes the different between being in the top 12 or not. A club can't do anything about where it is located, can it? This feels extremely unfair.

I'd like to see a full breakdown of the calculations as it's hard to understand why Bradford score more points than Fev - part of which will probably be due to Fev getting fewer points due to being close to Wakey and Cas.

Did you know, you get 0.125 points if you have LED advertising! Leigh would overtake Wakey on that basis and Bradford would nearly catch Cas. Wakey need to get some LED lighting installed ASAP! :oops:

There's so much of this I'm not liking...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:55 pm 
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Double Movement wrote:There was talk of London goimg full-time next season but it seems very unlikely that would be sustainable in 2025 when they're back in the Championship.

In truth, it would have been hard for them not to get relegated under the present system but at least they would have had a chance.

We no longer have an on-field competition that determines a team's fate, we have a scramble to get an 'A' grade. Once all 'A' grades have been taken, the rest are permanently left out in the cold.

As Wanderer says, how long before some teams decide to throw in the towel?

I'm not pretending that sorting the game's problems is easy but the IMG proposals will create a cosy closed shop that will benefit the top teams at the expense of the rest.

The Dons relatively high rating of 23 out of 35 suggests that if there is a cull of the bottom 11 teams - to create two leagues of 12 - we should be safe. We've been the tail end Charlies for many a year and without the tolerance of others at that time, we could have been cut adrift and booted out. As an RL community, we need to be supporting each other and building a better future together, not threatening those at the bottom with extinction.

The Dons rating is likely to rise in 2024 as winning the play-off final will replace our achievements in the 'discarded year' as only the last three seasons count for this part of the rating.

There are 91 variables included in a rating. To get an 'A' rating, a team must score 15 points, to get a 'B' rating you need 7.5 points. Under 7.5 is a 'C'. The race to be in the top 12 for 2024 - to get a Super League place in 2025 - is likely to be close.

Present ratings:

10 Toulouse 12.97
11 Wakey 12.52
12 Leigh 12.45
13 Cas 12.16
14 Bradford 12.02
15 Fev 10.65

IMG points will not determine places in the Championship and League One. The bottom two are relegated with two coming up from League One.

Up to 1.5 points can be awarded based on 'catchment'. Teams that are geographically close together get punished. This could well be the item that makes the different between being in the top 12 or not. A club can't do anything about where it is located, can it? This feels extremely unfair.

I'd like to see a full breakdown of the calculations as it's hard to understand why Bradford score more points than Fev - part of which will probably be due to Fev getting fewer points due to being close to Wakey and Cas.

Did you know, you get 0.125 points if you have LED advertising! Leigh would overtake Wakey on that basis and Bradford would nearly catch Cas. Wakey need to get some LED lighting installed ASAP! :oops:

There's so much of this I'm not liking...



IMG is a total waste of space and money in my opinion
The game is not about spreadsheets its about what happens on the field
I think the RFL will see the error in their ways and cancel this costly non productive exercise within 2
years.
In the meantime they should concentrate on Marketing and advertising the game
Anyone know there is a test match tomorrow?

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If the RFL think IMG gradings are what matters, how about distributing the central funding relative to the IMG ratings?

A team with a rating of 20 would get twice as much funding as a team with a score of 10. In this way, the cliff edge - and snubbing of teams outside of Super League - would disappear.

Of course, this would never be passed as self preservation would mean the big boys would block it.

If IMG ratings encourage all clubs to do things better, that is a good thing. If the policy is to create a closed shop with no promotion/relegation it is a bad thing.

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bonaire wrote:IMG is a total waste of space and money in my opinion
The game is not about spreadsheets its about what happens on the field
I think the RFL will see the error in their ways and cancel this costly non productive exercise within 2
years.
In the meantime they should concentrate on Marketing and advertising the game
Anyone know there is a test match tomorrow?

I'm not sure the RFL can afford to stop it. I believe IMG have got a 12 year contract.

One correction to something I wrote earlier: the IMG gradings for 2025 will be produced after the last games of 2024 have been played. Originally it had been mooted that they would be issued in June/July 2024.

I suppose the utopia would be to eventually have 20 teams getting Grade A ratings. At this stage, it would be hard to claim promotion and relegation wasn't justified. Is it possible for this to happen over the next five years? I suspect not but if it does, IMG will be able to claim their methods have been a success and I will take my hat off to them. If the number of professional sides is reduced and the quality of the Championship drops, IMG will have failed.

The RFL need to be assessed by IMG too - give them a rating! Certain things need to be managed centrally, such as marketing the test matches with Tonga. As Bonaire has stated, who knows there's a game tomorrow?

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