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This week's outcomes will be interesting.
The other week both Albert Kelly and Jamie Jones Buchanan submitted EGPs to a Grade B offence.
Kelly got 1 match, but JJB got just a fine.
This week, Taylor and Ablett are both up for Grade B, so lets hope for some luck this time and just a fine for Taylor.
The fact that Sam Moa has also been called up is no consolation - if the referee had the proper grip on the game he could have settled it down before Taylor and Watts lost their heads. Yes, it was stupid of them but the ref has to bear some responsibility for his utter lack of control. Mind you with the ludicrous James Child running one touchline he was never going to get any help from there either ! The disciplinary committee don't take into account that poor refereeing inflames games, but if you ask Ganson everything in the garden is rosy.
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I think Watts is a little unlucky to have a grade D charge. IMO its worthy of a charge but not a deliberate attempt to forcefully drive the ball carrier in to the floor.
Taylor did lose his head and was reckless when flying into some tackles in the second half. It might look impressive at the time (some of the big hits) but if its going to cost us with player bans its fairly pointless
JJB was a grade A offence and Kelly was grade B hence the difference.
On to Thursday and Ta'ai has already made an EGP and so will miss this game. Nothing about Taylor so far so are Hull going to risk contesting it? It will be interesting to see what Watts gets - if only we could cheat the system like Wigan do.
ccs wrote:Moa described as a late tackle, Taylor a shoulder charge, I wonder what the outcome will be?
Personally I wouldn't have even called Moa up. It was marginally late, but had Ellis not been hurt it would have gone without a mention. Taylor should just get a warning about his technique. Watts will get 3 matches.
Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Personally I wouldn't have even called Moa up. It was marginally late, but had Ellis not been hurt it would have gone without a mention. Taylor should just get a warning about his technique. Watts will get 3 matches.
Joined: Jan 16 2003 Posts: 6734 Location: At the cider bus, Worthy Farm, Somerset
Erik the not red wrote:JJB was a grade A offence and Kelly was grade B hence the difference.
On to Thursday and Ta'ai has already made an EGP and so will miss this game. Nothing about Taylor so far so are Hull going to risk contesting it? It will be interesting to see what Watts gets - if only we could cheat the system like Wigan do.
correct. however, JJB still could have got a 1 match ban as he didn't have a EGP available. what made it more strange is that he had a similar charge on record from last year (probably why there was no EGP to use). Kelly used his EGP so got a 1 match ban - however in theory with a decent previous record he could have got off with a fine. As the OP says it will be interesting with a rhinos player up again tonight, my thinking is that they will both get 1 match. i would be hopeful that hull can get watts downgraded from d to maybe b, if they can argue about the intent in the tackle, though to be fair watts has had one or two warnings about tackle technique in the last couple of seasons.
Joined: Jan 16 2003 Posts: 6734 Location: At the cider bus, Worthy Farm, Somerset
oh and to add on the other point - both moa and taylor would probabaly have got penalty sufficient a season or two ago, moa was marginally late and i've seen plenty of shoulder charges result in nothing more than a penalty.
i'm aware of the need to keep foul play in check and protect the players but feel we are in danger of going too far when it comes to discipline this year
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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Personally I wouldn't have even called Moa up. It was marginally late, but had Ellis not been hurt it would have gone without a mention. Taylor should just get a warning about his technique. Watts will get 3 matches.
This would be a fair outcome, although I'd like to see Watts reduced as already been punished with a sin binning.
the artist wrote:correct. however, JJB still could have got a 1 match ban as he didn't have a EGP available. what made it more strange is that he had a similar charge on record from last year (probably why there was no EGP to use). Kelly used his EGP so got a 1 match ban - however in theory with a decent previous record he could have got off with a fine. As the OP says it will be interesting with a rhinos player up again tonight, my thinking is that they will both get 1 match. i would be hopeful that hull can get watts downgraded from d to maybe b, if they can argue about the intent in the tackle, though to be fair watts has had one or two warnings about tackle technique in the last couple of seasons.
Ablett is grade B though compared to Bateiri's grade A, so with the Leeds discount, yes you are probably right.
Fingers crossed for Watts, you know if it was a Wigan player he'd end up getting SOS.
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