Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:34 am
dayvoz
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Lang Park wrote:I don't think that comment was called for.
His point that it requires someone to take the analysis of the opposition and implement the gameplan based on this on the pitch is a valid one in my opinion.
Possibly, but you said it in one sentence. Too many waffling management cliche's for me.
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Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:48 pm
*1865*
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Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc? If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:12 pm
Skippy1975
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*1865* wrote:Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc? If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.
agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:16 pm
@airlie_bird
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*1865* wrote:Ok, I'll put it another way, what can James Webster teach Leon Pryce? If he's to come in to help with last tackle plays etc? If it's to overlook the whole attack of the team I'd rather someone with a better track record than Webster, or Cooke, or Goulding, or whoever else is flavour of the month with the fans.
Things are improving as they are nicely, don't see the point in appointing anyone mid-season unless you're 100% sure he'll make an instant and fundamental difference.
Or what can Webster teach Sneyd, Abdull, HTW, and even Radford in relation to attacking play and formations. I'm not saying Webster (if he is coming) will add anything, only time will tell, but to dismiss it before he's got here is not on. Based on what you say no one at the club is capable of coaching Pryce as not one person has the experience of Pryce at the club.
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Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:26 pm
DGM
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Skippy1975 wrote:agree 100%, was never a fan of Lee's appointment but recent results mean he deserves credit, Webster did nothing for Wakefield, what can Webster offer that Horne can't??
Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?
As for an attacking coach, I don't imagine they'll come in and be expected to teach Leon & Sneyd how to do x,y & z better. Saying that, a player is always capable of improvement.
I see it more that they'd be the ones studying opposition weaknesses, work with the halfbacks on set plays & how to exploit those weaknesses, working one on one with non halfback players on how to improve their own weaknesses, general game management, last tackle options, stuff like that. Basically taking some of the burden off the halfbacks & Radford.
Whether Webster is the man to do that, none of us really know. His playing record has little to do with it, and I wouldn't read into his time with Wakey too much either, their squad/resources he had to work with are that poor.
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Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:31 pm
Skippy1975
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Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?
unsure, you may well be right. But with Radford, Last and Horne, with senior players in Pryce/Ellis etc. we should have enough going for us (and recently, it seems we have)
I can't see whether Webster is a good or bad choice, one thing I can say is it wont do any harm.
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:01 pm
Jake the Peg
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Hutchie wrote:I can understand your point in one way, but at all levels players are coached by people who have won less. Can Pryce see everything thats going on from the angle he has on the pitch / training ground ?
I wonder how many Ozzies learn nothing from a second rate winger , yet he still seems to be in demand coaching wise
What did all of those man united superstars think being coach by some failed scottish ex pro for 25 years or whatever it was?
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:05 pm
Jake the Peg
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Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:21 pm
*1865*
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Jake the Peg wrote:Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it
Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?
Post subject: Re: Coaching role for James Webster?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:29 pm
frepneyboy
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*1865* wrote:Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?
For one you are bob on
We have thrown £300k into the halves this season, to buy this "game management" everyone was wetting their kegs about.
Its working, the HB's are doing it. You watch us bring in a one game failure and it go to shiite
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