FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Hull FC Craig Hall



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 103 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:00 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jul 31 2003
Posts: 36786
Location: Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
Big Dave T wrote:But who says Hall is the better option, thats not clear at the moment so Horne has to stay.

Yes it is.






Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:11 am 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Feb 20 2007
Posts: 10540
Location: Hunting Gopher
Big Dave T wrote:But who says Hall is the better option, thats not clear at the moment so Horne has to stay.


Hence the word 'potentially'. If Hall plays like he can and improves his defence, he has the ability to completely eclipse Horne. The only way to realise this is by playing, so giving him that opportunity when you can could be for the good of the team both short term and long term.

Big Dave T wrote:The Crocker comparison is very clear. If Hall was an Oz international that too would be clear! Tony has also proven himself to be a class full back so thats pretty clear. Potential to be the better option also means he has the potential to be the worse option so why risk it when we dont need to?


And in a single sentence I think you've nailed our biggest problem: fear is overriding our desire to improve. Do you think Leeds and Saints and the like would be scared of putting in a talented youngster against the might that is Celtic Crusaders? :shock:

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:19 am 
International Board Member
International Board Member

Joined: Mar 31 2004
Posts: 29160
Location: Hull
Kosh wrote:Yes it is.


Based on what? Youre subjective opinion i guess?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:22 am 
International Board Member
International Board Member

Joined: Mar 31 2004
Posts: 29160
Location: Hull
carl_spackler wrote:Hence the word 'potentially'. If Hall plays like he can and improves his defence, he has the ability to completely eclipse Horne. The only way to realise this is by playing, so giving him that opportunity when you can could be for the good of the team both short term and long term.


I agree he is a future star should he develop correctly. Im not anti-Hall by any means, just think short term he isnt the right answer. Ive said before, i'd have sent him out on loan for 3 months.

carl_spackler wrote:And in a single sentence I think you've nailed our biggest problem: fear is overriding our desire to improve. Do you think Leeds and Saints and the like would be scared of putting in a talented youngster against the might that is Celtic Crusaders? :shock:


Not sure its fear, in business it would be called risk management! :wink:

You go with the option that will get results rather than one that may make you better results or may make you worse results until they can develop into a player than doesnt make worse results.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:28 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jul 31 2003
Posts: 36786
Location: Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
Big Dave T wrote:Based on what? Youre subjective opinion i guess?

Hall offers much more in attack than Horne ever will. Crusaders have a weak defence. We should try and exploit it.

I'm pretty sure we'll go with the 'safe' option though. We always do.






Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:29 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels

Joined: Apr 03 2003
Posts: 37503
Kosh wrote:Hall offers much more in attack than Horne ever will. Crusaders have a weak defence. We should try and exploit it.

I'm pretty sure we'll go with the 'safe' option though. We always do.


Why is playing the person who is first choice in their position "safe", Horne did nothing wrong against Wigan did he?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:30 am 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Feb 20 2007
Posts: 10540
Location: Hunting Gopher
Big Dave T wrote:I agree he is a future star should he develop correctly. Im not anti-Hall by any means, just think short term he isnt the right answer. Ive said before, i'd have sent him out on loan for 3 months.


I actually agree that loaning him out could be a good idea.

Big Dave T wrote:Not sure its fear, in business it would be called risk management! :wink:

You go with the option that will get results rather than one that may make you better results or may make you worse results until they can develop into a player than doesnt make worse results.


I would have thought risk management would be choosing to utilise/develop him when the risk is minimal (ie against teams who hold less of a threat). Not using him at all is just risk avoidance and a waste of his talents.

If his inclusion would mean the difference between winning and losing against the likes of Celtic/Salford/Castleford, I'd say we have big problems.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:38 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jul 31 2003
Posts: 36786
Location: Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
Standee wrote:Why is playing the person who is first choice in their position "safe", Horne did nothing wrong against Wigan did he?

My question would be why Horne is first choice when he isn't as good a centre. But that's been done to death on here.

Oh - and I don't want a team full of players who've 'done nothing wrong'. I want a team full of players who've done things right.






Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:43 am 
Club Owner
Club Owner

Joined: Mar 28 2005
Posts: 20992
Location: THE HOME CITY OF LUKE CAMPBELL OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST
Standee wrote:Why is playing the person who is first choice in their position "safe", Horne did nothing wrong against Wigan did he?



nO HE DIDNT DO NOTHING WRONG...WAS THROUGH A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT Wigans line spped was good and they got him...Hall may have got in....Celtics speed wont be anywhere near Wigans so should play Hall to exploit this weakness and have Houghton on bench






“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club.

Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you.

"Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:49 am 
Club Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Jan 30 2004
Posts: 9673
Location: Hull
Kosh wrote:Oh - and I don't want a team full of players who've 'done nothing wrong'. I want a team full of players who've done things right.


I like that Kosh, nice one.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 103 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11  Next





It is currently Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:45 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 136 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:45 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Warrington up next
Tarquin Fueg
117
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Todays game v Hull
rubber ducki
75
42s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37733
50s
Jon Wilkin
Ex-Swarcliff
24
1m
FIELD
Zig
93
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59892
1m
Round 15 vs Leigh Leopards H
fanstanningl
129
1m
TV Games - Not Hull
Mr. Zucchini
1982
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Jake the Peg
2133
2m
Leeds Away
Jack Gaskell
12
2m
Rumours thread
The Avenger
1579
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Survive Second Half Fightback to Beat the Huddersfield Giants
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late Win Over Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Todays game v Hull
rubber ducki
75
TODAY
Tribute to Rob and his family
Ex-Swarcliff
3
TODAY
A great tribute
PopTart
3
TODAY
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires Leeds Rhinos To A Win Over Leigh Centurions
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win Over Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Strengthening needed
PopTart
11
TODAY
Boafo
BigTime
2
TODAY
Smith leaves Rhinos job bt mutual consent
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Wayne Bennett already pulling strings at Souths
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Passi almost ready to play again
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Franklin Pele released
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Squad for Hull
ratticusfinc
7
TODAY
Rob Burrow MND Charity Coast to Coast
matt6169
3
TODAY
Warrington up next
Tarquin Fueg
117
TODAY
Squads - Rhinos v Leopards
LeythIg
2
TODAY
Doncaster H
Rafa9
10
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
126
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
130
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
285
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
392
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
803
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
911
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
759
Super Salford First Half Slays..
914
England to play Samoa in autum..
879
Wakefield Trinity Show No Merc..
1768
Wigan Warriors Dominate Challe..
1525
St Helens Beat Leeds To Lift F..
1576
Rugby League to pay homage to ..
1557
2024 State of Origin - Game 1 ..
2074
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
2135
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 23rd Jun
SL
15:00
Salford-St.Helens
Wed 26th Jun
SOO
11:05
New South Wales-Queensland
Sat 29th Jun
MINT2024
17:00
France M-England M
WINT2024
14:30
FRANCE W-ENGLAND W
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 22nd Jun
SL 15 Hull FC18-24Warrington
SL 15 Catalans22-18Huddersfield
CH 12 Batley0-36Toulouse
NRL 16 Sydney26-8Canterbury
NRL 16 Gold Coast66-6NZ Warriors
NRL 16 Souths14-0Manly
Fri 21st Jun
SL 15 Leeds18-10Leigh
SL 15 Wigan36-0LondonB
NRL 16 Dolphins24-30Melbourne
Thu 20th Jun
SL 15 Castleford12-13Hull KR
Sun 16th Jun
SL 14 LondonB6-52St.Helens
WSL2024 6 Hudds W4-42LeedsW
CH 11 Dewsbury0-40York
CH 11 Sheffield18-16Featherstone
CH 11 Swinton16-20Batley
CH 11 Whitehaven18-36Bradford
CH11 Widnes18-20Wakefield
L1 11 Crusaders34-32Workington
L1 11 Cornwall14-38Rochdale
L1 11 Hunslet25-18Midlands
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 14 403 164 239 24
St.Helens 14 405 142 263 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Warrington 15 358 213 145 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
Salford 14 275 270 5 18
 
Leeds 15 274 270 4 16
Huddersfield 15 298 317 -19 12
Leigh 14 264 226 38 11
Castleford 15 238 429 -191 7
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 15 140 598 -458 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 11 404 118 286 22
Sheffield 11 306 186 120 16
Widnes 11 278 191 87 15
Toulouse 11 312 174 138 14
Bradford 11 265 202 63 14
Featherstone 11 306 229 77 12
 
Batley 12 181 270 -89 10
Doncaster 11 215 279 -64 9
York 12 241 251 -10 8
Swinton 11 242 290 -48 8
Whitehaven 11 210 308 -98 8
Halifax 11 208 313 -105 8
Barrow 10 179 293 -114 8
Dewsbury 12 144 343 -199 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Warrington up next
Tarquin Fueg
117
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Todays game v Hull
rubber ducki
75
42s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37733
50s
Jon Wilkin
Ex-Swarcliff
24
1m
FIELD
Zig
93
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59892
1m
Round 15 vs Leigh Leopards H
fanstanningl
129
1m
TV Games - Not Hull
Mr. Zucchini
1982
2m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Jake the Peg
2133
2m
Leeds Away
Jack Gaskell
12
2m
Rumours thread
The Avenger
1579
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Survive Second Half Fightback to Beat the Huddersfield Giants
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late Win Over Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Todays game v Hull
rubber ducki
75
TODAY
Tribute to Rob and his family
Ex-Swarcliff
3
TODAY
A great tribute
PopTart
3
TODAY
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires Leeds Rhinos To A Win Over Leigh Centurions
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win Over Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Strengthening needed
PopTart
11
TODAY
Boafo
BigTime
2
TODAY
Smith leaves Rhinos job bt mutual consent
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Wayne Bennett already pulling strings at Souths
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Passi almost ready to play again
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Franklin Pele released
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Squad for Hull
ratticusfinc
7
TODAY
Rob Burrow MND Charity Coast to Coast
matt6169
3
TODAY
Warrington up next
Tarquin Fueg
117
TODAY
Squads - Rhinos v Leopards
LeythIg
2
TODAY
Doncaster H
Rafa9
10
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
126
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
130
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
285
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
392
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
803
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
911
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
759
Super Salford First Half Slays..
914
England to play Samoa in autum..
879
Wakefield Trinity Show No Merc..
1768
Wigan Warriors Dominate Challe..
1525
St Helens Beat Leeds To Lift F..
1576
Rugby League to pay homage to ..
1557
2024 State of Origin - Game 1 ..
2074
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
2135


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.