Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:31 am
Rocknrolla69er
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Il simplify it
When Masi is fit he tends to be in the matchday squad over Brown, I've rarely seen them both named on the bench, if they have been I take it back, but you'd have to show me some stats to back it up. So it would be Brown replacing Matongo no need for another signing as you've put I t, that scenario doesn't even come into the equation. Props would be Taylor, Satae, Bowden, Brown, Savelio/Sao (if needed) Fash, and I'm sure another season on we d have more prospects coming through to supplement them
I'm saying I'd now move Brown above Masi for squad selection, as I've said I don't think Masi is assertive Enough, the stats back that up he has very low carry numbers when he does play.
I also don't think 10 games per season is the sign of a youngish prop who's pulling up trees. When you look at Partington and Bynre for example, there's no comparison.
Brown can be the type of player you've described rather than Masi as Brown offers more and in my eyes has the potential to be a prop who plays 15-20 games a season rather than an average of 10. And 10 not very busy games at that.
As for Savelio when he does play he looks brilliant. He produces the goods, he's also been at the club a lot shorter period than Matongo and has far more Ability, I agree he needs to be on the pitch more, so I'd give him the rest of this season to prove he can keep clear of injurys, if he's constantly injured again , he's another I'd release, as we seem to stockpile players who are injured way too much.
Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:24 am
Chris71
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Rocknrolla69er wrote:Il simplify it
When Masi is fit he tends to be in the matchday squad over Brown, I've rarely seen them both named on the bench, if they have been I take it back, but you'd have to show me some stats to back it up. So it would be Brown replacing Matongo no need for another signing as you've put I t, that scenario doesn't even come into the equation. Props would be Taylor, Satae, Bowden, Brown, Savelio/Sao (if needed) Fash, and I'm sure another season on we d have more prospects coming through to supplement them
I'm saying I'd now move Brown above Masi for squad selection, as I've said I don't think Masi is assertive Enough, the stats back that up he has very low carry numbers when he does play.
I also don't think 10 games per season is the sign of a youngish prop who's pulling up trees. When you look at Partington and Bynre for example, there's no comparison.
Brown can be the type of player you've described rather than Masi as Brown offers more and in my eyes has the potential to be a prop who plays 15-20 games a season rather than an average of 10. And 10 not very busy games at that.
As for Savelio when he does play he looks brilliant. He produces the goods, he's also been at the club a lot shorter period than Matongo and has far more Ability, I agree he needs to be on the pitch more, so I'd give him the rest of this season to prove he can keep clear of injurys, if he's constantly injured again , he's another I'd release, as we seem to stockpile players who are injured way too much.
That's my opinion. I stand by it.
Pretty much on the money for me that. Masi has all the physical attributes to be a good prop in the game but what seems to be lacking is desire/aggression. On performances and promise I think there's little to argue that Brown deserves to be given the opportunity ahead of Masi.
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
It’s a clean slate, so some players who were deemed to be underperforming previously might kick on under a new coach, who maybe asks them to do different things, or coaches them in a different way.
Everyone is going to get a chance to stake a claim.
Personally I’m looking forward to seeing a fully fit Savelio, and a hungry Cator given a chance.
Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:46 am
Armavinit
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Irregular Hoops wrote:It’s a clean slate, so some players who were deemed to be underperforming previously might kick on under a new coach, who maybe asks them to do different things, or coaches them in a different way.
Everyone is going to get a chance to stake a claim.
Personally I’m looking forward to seeing a fully fit Savelio, and a hungry Cator given a chance.
^^^^^This. I’m looking forward to see how all players react under this coaching regime. 5 drives and a kick did my head in never mind the players, not everyone is suited to being a meathead battering ram
Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:02 am
Riderofthepalehorse
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Dave K. wrote:What do you mean replace him with someone like Brown, if you mean Beiwn, how can he replace him when they are both in the squad together.
I've already highlighted than Masi has a pretty good injury record, certainly better than Savelio, shall we release him aswell.
So who replaces Masi next season, do we have another young prop ready? We are already losing Ratu, Kelly and probably Jones, I'm not sure we can afford to just release a contracted (cheap) player without a replacement.
Brown would be ahead Masi and Fash for certain though.
I also think the likes of Masi and Fash who have shown potential deserve a chance under the new coaching team.
Welease Woger.
Seriously, when some props in our game now are near eighteen stone, in one, if not the most difficult of positions, Massi is just a young buck, and has going on ten years to develop, same with Jack Brown, I agree we should see more of Brown, but talk of releasing Massi is ridiculous, yes he’s got his limitations, and probably playing in a team which as a whole underperformed on a regular basis didn’t help, If possible it would also be good to see Beniek brought back into the fold, so Massi , Brown, and Benny can share the load in the absence of Tag, and any problems with Bowden.
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Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:07 am
IR80
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Riderofthepalehorse wrote:Welease Woger. t
Seriously, when some props in our game now are near eighteen stone, in one, if not the most difficult of positions, Massi is just a young buck, and has going on ten years to develop, same with Jack Brown, I agree we should see more of Brown, but talk of releasing Massi is ridiculous, yes he’s got his limitations, and probably playing in a team which as a whole underperformed on a regular basis didn’t help, If possible it would also be good to see Beniek brought back into the fold, so Massi , Brown, and Benny can share the load in the absence of Tag, and any problems with Bowden.
Everyone starts with a clean slate, I can see Last,Purtill and Ellis as our coaching team for a while.Reading what AP said he seemed as bored of Radford as we all were!
Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:18 am
Riderofthepalehorse
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IR80 wrote:Everyone starts with a clean slate, I can see Last,Purtill and Ellis as our coaching team for a while.Reading what AP said he seemed as bored of Radford as we all were!
If this is true perhaps, you can stop slating Houghton and Shaul.
Post subject: Re: Salford v Hull 9th August Headlngley
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:04 am
IR80
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ccs wrote:...and maybe add Jones to his list as well.
Shaul, Houghton, Jones, Taylor all start again in my eyes. Never understood the love in and hype, but we all start again. maybe a few posters would be best served forgetting the past too?
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