Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:14 pm
B0NES
Club Coach
Joined: Jan 15 2005 Posts: 12448 Location: Hull
Raggytash wrote:Holy Moly! Crooks is a THIRD grade centre, and wouldn't make the first team at Hull next season. If he did, that would show a genuine lack of ambition from the club! You really think Yeaman, Sa or Naughton wouldn't at least manage 2nd grade in the NRL? Even Tansey and Thorman played first grade! Radford, the fans, nor the 3 Aussie coaches Crooks has worked under this season have failed him. He's failed himself, and was the epitome of a one season wonder. The ridiculous knee-jerkery on this issue is amazing!
If we'd signed a 22 year old third grade centre, you'd be going absolutely mental!!!!
Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:06 pm
the artist
International Board Member
Joined: Jan 16 2003 Posts: 6734 Location: At the cider bus, Worthy Farm, Somerset
the thing is when a player has had a good season in the past and form has dipped, there is always the feeling that a coach somewhere will be able to get him back to his best. there are usually quite a few prepared to take the chance or challenge, hence why the story claims other clubs are interested as well as Cas. This is one of those issues that at the moment where there is no right or wrong opinion - only time will tell if crooks can be rejuvinated
Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:45 pm
bonaire
International Star
Joined: Apr 04 2014 Posts: 7862
Diablo1967 wrote:Lineham made him look good. As soon as Tom was injured, Crooks was found out.
We have far better coming through.
What? cant name one that's coming through. my opinion don't think Logan will make it either,too small and not enough pace.
The problem for Crooks he was playing for a coach under pressure and suffered for that as his mistakes were seen to have cost Radford points whilst his mate Yeaman who does deserve to be dropped cements his place in the team week after week and his mistakes seemingly go unnoticed by the coach.
Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:18 pm
ComeOnYouUll
Club Owner
Joined: Sep 25 2003 Posts: 22339
bonaire wrote:What? cant name one that's coming through. my opinion don't think Logan will make it either,too small and not enough pace.
The problem for Crooks he was playing for a coach under pressure and suffered for that as his mistakes were seen to have cost Radford points whilst his mate Yeaman who does deserve to be dropped cements his place in the team week after week and his mistakes seemingly go unnoticed by the coach.
So you think his poor form last year was Radford's fault? What a surprise.
Crooks looked promising in 2012, was terrific in 2013 but poor last season. Some on here were tipping him to be a success at the Eels but is clearly hasn't worked out for him. Maybe it was their coach's fault.
Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:45 am
westdock boy in oz
International Star
Joined: Jun 14 2012 Posts: 204
Raggytash wrote:Holy Moly! Crooks is a THIRD grade centre, and wouldn't make the first team at Hull next season. If he did, that would show a genuine lack of ambition from the club! You really think Yeaman, Sa or Naughton wouldn't at least manage 2nd grade in the NRL? Even Tansey and Thorman played first grade! Radford, the fans, nor the 3 Aussie coaches Crooks has worked under this season have failed him. He's failed himself, and was the epitome of a one season wonder. The ridiculous knee-jerkery on this issue is amazing!
If we'd signed a 22 year old third grade centre, you'd be going absolutely mental!!!!
3rd grade? The reserve grade as such was discarded years ago, when the u/20's was introduced.(Holden cup) Any player who doesn't make the 17 for first grade plays in the NSW cup if he is too old for the u/20's. Parra use Wentworthville as their NSW cup team, - Chris Sandow was dropped & played a few weeks ago, although you presumably think the fans of any super league club that signs him will `go mental' By denigrating players from the NSW comp' I assume (maybe wrongly) you don't watch the NSW cup, IMO from the games I've seen the standard is pretty close to the bottom half of Super League & looking at at our league positions last season & this, ? ? ? ?
Post subject: Re: Ben Crooks in Super League return – but NOT to Hull FC
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:09 am
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
Crooks was given a raw deal IMO, same as Miller, and yes Miller wasn't going to improve enough but was still given a raw deal throughout the season.
Crooks was in and out of the side after the first three games in which he did little wrong, it wasn't him that cost us those two early losses, he didn't play in the debacle at home against Widnes and yeah he fell off a few tackles but who didn't last season, we were absolute turb aside from a small handful of games.
In his games we had a higher % win ratio than without (P12 W5 incl 1 CC loss), he made fewer errors per game than Shaul missed fewer tackles than Shaul per game & as a ratio of tackles made plus also had equal metres gained/carry.
Compared to Yeaman (25 games incl CC loss) Crooks had exactly the same missed tackle ratio (to tackles made), Crooks made more tackle busts per game (twice as many in fact), made more average metres/carry, almost identical amount of errors per game yet Crooks was ostricised by Radford and Yeaman carried on playing as if untouchable?
But obviously the word was that he was getting above his station, getting cocky, bad attitude, poor form, you name it the rumours where everywhere about him, where did these 'rumours' originate from?
I really hope we can get a decent centre for next season because atm it looks like Yeaman is going to be first choice again.
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