Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:58 pm
*1865*
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Sebasteeno wrote:So what, exactly is your argument? Are you sure your not a bi-polar woman?
That in order to reach an acceptable (to me) amount of points in the first 23 games of 24/26/28 points, the team is going to have to go some. A return of 20 points is not acceptable for the squad he has. 27 (twice) & 26 (twice) has been enough to make the 8 in the last four years. Now given the reduction in games this year I think 22 will make it. That's why i'm saying that 20 is unacceptable, because I think that will mean we don't make the 8.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:09 pm
Diogenes
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Sadly I don't think we will make the 8 now as we have made such a bad start and other teams who might have been targeting a 6th to 8th finish have all been picking up points.
I don't think Pearson is set to sack Radford any time soon so unless he walks he will be our coach till the end of the season.
I can only hope that Pearson and Tony are already looking for a new coach for next season.
I hope Lee and the team prove me wrong and make the 8 but I can't see it.
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Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:47 pm
*1865*
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Diogenes wrote:Sadly I don't think we will make the 8 now as we have made such a bad start and other teams who might have been targeting a 6th to 8th finish have all been picking up points.
That may well be the case, but you only have to look at the club over the river to see what 3 wins on the bounce can do for you. Far too early for doom and gloom.
Diogenes wrote:I don't think Pearson is set to sack Radford any time soon so unless he walks he will be our coach till the end of the season.
That's probably true, although I think if we don't make the 8 Radford will walk.
Diogenes wrote:I can only hope that Pearson and Tony are already looking for a new coach for next season.
I doubt it.
Diogenes wrote:I hope Lee and the team prove me wrong and make the 8 but I can't see it.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:10 am
carl_spackler
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*1865* wrote:There's a difference between differing opinions in the fan base and division in the club.
I've not judged Radford on this season yet, said i'd give him at least 10 games which is what I intend to do. I've stated in another thread that 4 from 10 was bare minimum and that that had to be improved in to 8 from 15 and then around 14 from the first 23. Those I see as acceptable, what I don't see as acceptable is any less than 11 from 23. I just don't like overreacting to a few performances.
The other day Dave K said that if we lose tomorrow, Radford should go. You reckoned that this made him one of those that Radford was talking about changing their mind from one week to the next. This post and the other you mention state that 4 from 10 is the minimum for Radford to keep his job.
Given that we are 3 from 9, can you please enlighten me as to how tomorrow being decisive for Dave K suggests he is fickle, but vindicates you as sensible and measured?
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:13 am
carl_spackler
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Rugby Raider wrote:One win doesn't make a season, nor does it change the big picture.
Lee Radford has now been in his post for over 18 months and his performance should be reviewed over the progress made over that period.
At the start of last season, I thought we were still suffering from a Wembley/Hudderfield Play Off defeat hangover and some tolerance could be given to Radfords initial tenure.
However, this season it's his squad, his playing style etc. Monday's win was obviously welcome and potentially give's Lee a chance to still make it as Hull's Coach. He'll definately be in charge for the next two games now. Two wins against Widnes and Wakefield (currently the other weakest clubs in the league), will take us to between 7th and 10th in the league and provide real hope for a Top 8 finish. Defeat in either, will proably resign us to the Middle 8.
With the Saints win, he's now earned the right to see how we go in the next two games, however to me I'm still not convinced. I'm not sure Hull fans will ever really warm to him as a coach. He has not had the best of starts and he comes across as very dour. You only need to compare his manner to Chris Chester, rightly bubbling with joy after their Deby win and also happy to beat Huddersfield, but reflective on the performance.
On Monday, Radford should have at least raised a smile. Not a celebration, but at least a start and opportunity (with the games coming up) to develop a run. Instead he unemotionally went through the motions. He may argure, he doesn't get excited when we win or lose, but I'd rather see that he had enjoyed the victory and was hungry for the next one.
I hope he will go on to prove me wrong, however I still suspect we will be having the same debate at the end of May, when our fate will almost be sealed.
I didn't think that was the case at all. What he said may not have been wise but it was very much an emotional outburst, I don't see how anyone could say otherwise.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:36 am
Dave K.
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carl_spackler wrote:The other day Dave K said that if we lose tomorrow, Radford should go. You reckoned that this made him one of those that Radford was talking about changing their mind from one week to the next. This post and the other you mention state that 4 from 10 is the minimum for Radford to keep his job.
Given that we are 3 from 9, can you please enlighten me as to how tomorrow being decisive for Dave K suggests he is fickle, but vindicates you as sensible and measured?
Cheers Dad for looking out for me, I am looking forward to his response though his response though, hopefully it will as good as when the Rovers fans made him look a fool about his Campese comments.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:38 am
hull smallears
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Tinkerman23 wrote:Did you not go last Thursday ha! more than a dozen or so disgruntled fans you'll find if you did. More like 850 fans who ain't disgruntled that travelled to saints on Monday
I am disgruntled but I was at Saints. I like the social aspect of FC matches but it will no longer be top priority for me to attend, but will where I can.
I agree the club is becoming divided, or probably a better description is apathetic.
I don't personally believe Radford is the best man for the job, but I don't also think his after match interview was as inflammatory as some are making out. Some people on social media go too far, that is how I took it. Should he have said it? Probably not as was irrelevant but for me showing he cared actually did mean something.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:56 am
hull smallears
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WormInHand wrote:Me too. And I am disgruntled yet also one of the 850 who travelled to Saints. And most of the people I spoke to on Monday also have serious worries.
I'm ecstatic we won, and I'm pleased for Radford and hope this is the start of the upturn for him to prove me wrong. But I don't think it will prove to be as the issues run deeper than one half decent performance against a depleted Saints team - they stem from the concerning way Radford found his way to the top job in the first place. In my opinion.
But lets see what Friday brings. I'll be there, and cheering, but still worried about not just the team, but the club as a whole.
Post subject: Re: So, what happens if we DO beat saints?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:01 am
carl_spackler
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Dave K. wrote:Cheers Dad for looking out for me, I am looking forward to his response though his response though, hopefully it will as good as when the Rovers fans made him look a fool about his Campese comments.
Hope it didn't come across as patronising to you. I'm just noticing a hell of a lot of inconsistencies in reasoning used to criticise people on here recently, particularly as ways to have a dig at those of us seen as the negative crowd, and this was a good example IMO.
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