ccs wrote:Maybe when you've been to your first match in 8 months you'll be able to make an informed judgement.
Are you referring to me, if so what is your point, inacurate as it is? I think I'm quite able to ascertain how people think without attending as many live games as most and whilst I can watch the recorded games I think I have as much a grasp of how things are as anyone else..So what is your judgement superfan?
knockersbumpMKII wrote:I don't doubt it, but '1865' is describing Westerman as 'our only international' as if he is at international level & that he doesn't need to up his game which I think we are in agreement he isn't quite at the level he/us would like him to be.
I just think it is especially hard for fans to fathom how we can be so tight for 2 weeks and then seemingly go to pot against what on paper (Chase aside) wasn't/won't be the strongest side we'll face this year, certainly one that got battered by Saints only 2 weeks before. From that we start to look at whom is doing X or Y, who isn't seemingly pulling their weight (Green has being singled out & Bowden to an extent) and asking questions and indeed have doubts, that's only natural.
Lose tomorrow and it puts more pressure on everyone, players, coaches AND the supporters, not only in believing that the coach/players can do the job but the worry of what will happen IF they can't. Win and it totally changes the mood, that's how it is, I can understand that some fans want to be upbeat no matter what is served up, but for a fair portion how the team do at the weekend reflects very heavily on how we feel & analyse what is happening with the club/players coach hence threads like this.
You are right tomorrow's game is massive. A win and last week can be written off as a bad day at the office, and 2 from 4 is probably as good as we could have expected from 4 difficult games. Even if we play well and lose ala the Warrington game, three losses in a row does nothing for the team or supporter morale. Especially with a trip to Wigan up next.
It's early in the season and a loss by no means takes us out of the top 8 reckoning. But it's still a very important game.
knockersbumpMKII wrote:I don't doubt it, but '1865' is describing Westerman as 'our only international'
Because he is Bumpy lad.
knockersbumpMKII wrote:as if he is at international level & that he doesn't need to up his game which I think we are in agreement he isn't quite at the level he/us would like him to be.
More Bumpy BS
Read what was said, what I responded to and you'll see that you've added a few things that weren't actually said. Poor form, but entirely predictable.
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With Paea, Watts and Thompson, picking one from Green/Bowden/Feka isn't the end of the world. Centre's our biggest issue IMO. Sa will probably only play half the games this season, Whiting's injured and Yeamo ineffective.
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Paea has been our best prop IMO. Trying to turn this thread a bit more positive, Thompson has been outstanding, thought he had a good season last year, but has really kicked on, happy with both halfs and Mini. Houghton he usually self, although personally OI think his distribution has been better (although it is easily with faster play of the balls and better halfs). Jurys still out on the rest.
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Mrs Barista wrote:With Paea, Watts and Thompson, picking one from Green/Bowden/Feka isn't the end of the world. Centre's our biggest issue IMO. Sa will probably only play half the games this season, Whiting's injured and Yeamo ineffective.
Agree about centre, its real big concern and we should already be looking at recruitment for that position for next season.
I still think Thomspon is best suited to backrow and I'm sure both his trys were scored from form playign out wide last week.
I'd have Feka, Paea, Watts and Green/Bowden as props and Thomspon on the bench to play in the backrow, if we give him a run of games there, he could be an outstanding backrower.
Next season I'd try sign Whitehaed and move Ellis up to prop.
This post is about who should step up. Talk of Green and Bowden is a little harsh, their wages compared to for example Westy I am sure the coach expects more from him than those two. All teams have stars and players who are grafters/fillers in the squad, I think Bowden shows some promise and his aggression would have helped against Salford.
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gary-hfc wrote:This post is about who should step up. Talk of Green and Bowden is a little harsh, their wages compared to for example Westy I am sure the coach expects more from him than those two. All teams have stars and players who are grafters/fillers in the squad, I think Bowden shows some promise and his aggression would have helped against Salford.
Here we go again...
Wages have zero relevance to performance. Westerman is below his best but still contributing more than Green, and at least we know that Westy can get better. The same can't be said for Green, sadly.
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