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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:35 pm 
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Milky121086 wrote:Eh??? A club legend? Who was treated awfully by us?


Our resident Rovers nuisance :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:42 pm 
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When you look at where the criticism is coming from, It’s from those, or those connected with them, where the attitude was questionable anyway.
That’s why Wynne can’t get a game in Fevs team. Why Griffin can tell Hodgson to eff off but Smith soon got rid, etc, etc.
I remember when we signed Hoy reading that his connections to the Johns family, and the “fame” of his Father meant it was inevitable Newcastle would sign him, even though there were better players about.
Maybe it’s his first time in an environment where he’s accountable and not entitled?

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:48 pm 
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Chris71 wrote:Very few would argue with the bit in bold but its not the results or lack of them it is the sheer scale of the poor performances that are now common place. I wouldn't even say they've downed tools as it looks like they are unable to even pick them up to start with. They are clearly are not prepared well enough nor ready to start a game as again the performances so far show.


I would venture that in terms of preparation, attitude, commitment and match performance we are arguably, right now, a worse team than Wakefield last year. Although they had severe shortcomings in terms of squad quality and available recruitment level, Wakefield 2023 at least tended to show a level of fight and commitment allied to a workable game plan which attempted to make the best out of a very bad underfunded hand their coach had been dealt with. I would say it is very difficult to make that same claim for us in 2024.

What I am finding hard to comprehend however is that it is less than nine months since we beat Warrington (then still league leaders) and Saints (34-6 no less!) whilst losing narrowly to Catalans and Wigan (to a golden point) in two hard fought games. As late as last August (the Wigan game) I still harboured thoughts of possibly sneaking a play-off spot. At the very least I felt there were foundations on which to build upon for this year.

I know we have lost two or three decent players who subsequently have not been adequately replaced, but the rate at which we have been going backwards since last August has been nothing short of insane. We've gone from being a semi-decent (if not exactly spectacular) side, with some promise in there of better times to come, to being the most dis-organized rabble that any of us have ever witnessed wearing the black & white. Even the most wildly optimistic supporter (if indeed there is anyone left who fits that description!) cannot see where the next win will come from, even London away is holding trepidation for most of us.

I'm sure we've all heard the saying 'sometimes you have to go backwards in order to ultimately go forwards' but the club, and Smith specifically, is taking that maxim to almost unheard and obscene depths. None of us was expecting too much from this season but surely none of us equally could have even remotely imagined the sheer scale of ineptitude which is currently being trotted out on a weekly basis. I would surmise that Wakefield supporters last year acknowledged that their side were trying their best against at times insurmountable odds and as such at least felt some pride in what their team was trying to achieve.

When was the last time we felt any pride in our club? Far too long ago for most of our tastes I am sorry to say.






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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 2:49 pm 
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Irregular Hoops wrote:When you look at where the criticism is coming from, It’s from those, or those connected with them, where the attitude was questionable anyway.
That’s why Wynne can’t get a game in Fevs team. Why Griffin can tell Hodgson to eff off but Smith soon got rid, etc, etc.
I remember when we signed Hoy reading that his connections to the Johns family, and the “fame” of his Father meant it was inevitable Newcastle would sign him, even though there were better players about.
Maybe it’s his first time in an environment where he’s accountable and not entitled?


HALLELUJAH!! A fan who sees sense!! This is what im saying, isn't it a bit odd that the players who have had poor attitude seemingly on and off the pitch are getting sacked, let go etc by the club? This club is rotten and has deep rooted attitude problems that stem back to the end of the Radford era, Reynolds, Gale, Wynne, Evans, Griffin etc etc and now Hoy, i strongly believe they are getting told things they don't like hearing and wont buy into the way the club are trying to change things, and if that's the case this is the time we should all be getting behind the coaching staff and backing them getting rid of players who are stealing wages playing for our great club

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:06 pm 
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Milky121086 wrote:Never uploaded a pic before but here you go...


Not going to lie, Tex’s dad come across as a bit thick.

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:10 pm 
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K-Diddy wrote:Not going to lie, Tex’s dad come across as a bit thick.


TBF it was nearly midnight over there at the time of his messages so he may well have been at the back end of a few tins of Castlemaine XXXX

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:11 pm 
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K-Diddy wrote:Not going to lie, Tex’s dad come across as a bit thick.


Yes, pretty unwise to post comments like that. Not a great look.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:32 pm 
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Does anyone think we look like a well coached or motivated team?






The poor man's bonaire

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:39 pm 
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Jake the Peg wrote:Does anyone think we look like a well coached or motivated team?


Welcome back Jake, it's been a long time between drinks. You haven't missed much :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:40 pm 
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Milky121086 wrote:HALLELUJAH!! A fan who sees sense!! This is what im saying, isn't it a bit odd that the players who have had poor attitude seemingly on and off the pitch are getting sacked, let go etc by the club? This club is rotten and has deep rooted attitude problems that stem back to the end of the Radford era, Reynolds, Gale, Wynne, Evans, Griffin etc etc and now Hoy, i strongly believe they are getting told things they don't like hearing and wont buy into the way the club are trying to change things, and if that's the case this is the time we should all be getting behind the coaching staff and backing them getting rid of players who are stealing wages playing for our great club


None of us are complaining about what's going on behind the scenes though, good for Smith for doing that but the behind the scenes could be done by anyone, the CEO or owner.
Smith's primary role is as a head coach not an administrative role but a coaching role to optimise recruitment and improve on field performances, they are his primary objectives and he has failed miserably.
If he's so keen to sort out the culture give him the CEO job, sack Clarke off and bring in a current and up to date coaching set up.

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