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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:05 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Crookes, Miller and Arundle
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Out of the three i'd possibly keep Arundle.. He looked good before he got injured. I think that's his downfall, he's too injury prone and it always seems to happen when he picks up form.

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Diogenes wrote:I also think Arundel may still have something to offer.

It could be a smart move on his part to offer to reduce his terms as it would show he is committed. However if Radford just doesn't fancy him it would probably be a waste of time.



You mean he should take less cash for more years? Less cash alone would show he should be committed. Contracted to 2016, so he need be in no rush.






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Diogenes wrote:I also think Arundel may still have something to offer.

It could be a smart move on his part to offer to reduce his terms as it would show he is committed. However if Radford just doesn't fancy him it would probably be a waste of time.



You mean he should take less cash for more years? Less cash alone would show he should be committed. Contracted to 2016, so he need be in no rush.


No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.






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 Post subject: Re: Crookes, Miller and Arundle
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Diogenes wrote:No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.

I've often thought that re-negotiating contracts with the likes of Miller and Arundel would be the best way forward, but obviously the likelihood of them accepting lower money is slim, especially in Arundel's case who has a lot longer on his deal.

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Diogenes wrote:No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.


As 1865 says, the chances of that are slim. If he's the best option available and Hull are paying him anyway it'd be cutting your nose off to spite your own face not to pick him. If he's not the best option, he won't get picked anyway despite taking up less of the wage budget (which'd be a bitter pill for him, I'm sure).
It might just be that he's not part of LR's plans, in which case there are 3 better options than taking a pay cut. Pay-off, subsidised loan deal at another club, hang about and hope for a new coach.

This time next year, a renegotiation might be sensible. He'll be paying tax at the higher rate, unless rumours are miles off, so there'd be a case for taking an extra 12 months on less per year than he'd otherwise get in 2016, but more than he'd get elsewhere.






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Diogenes wrote:No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.


As 1865 says, the chances of that are slim. If he's the best option available and Hull are paying him anyway it'd be cutting your nose off to spite your own face not to pick him. If he's not the best option, he won't get picked anyway despite taking up less of the wage budget (which'd be a bitter pill for him, I'm sure).
It might just be that he's not part of LR's plans, in which case there are 3 better options than taking a pay cut. Pay-off, subsidised loan deal at another club, hang about and hope for a new coach.

This time next year, a renegotiation might be sensible. He'll be paying tax at the higher rate, unless rumours are miles off, so there'd be a case for taking an extra 12 months on less per year than he'd otherwise get in 2016, but more than he'd get elsewhere.


Its hard to see him getting many starts when we will have Sa, Yeaman, Michaels and Logan who can all play centre. However I would rather have seen him at centre last year than Whiting.

I don't believe he is part of LR's plans. Offering to take a pay cut may play well with the Chairman but probably not the Coach. He could sit on his arris collecting the cash for anther two years but he's only young and he'll want to get a contract somewhere else after 2016 so needs to be playing. Most teams will be sorting out their recruitment soon so if his future does lie elsewhere it needs sorting in the near future.






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 Post subject: Re: Crookes, Miller and Arundle
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Let's have a look at the options

Yeaman ; final season ?

Sa ; not the fastest, better impact SR off bench

Michaels ; mainly a winger?

Logan ; looks good in attack and will improve defensively. Needs time to mature.

Arundel ; been unlucky, don't think he's on as much as people say. Needs a run in a team,

Whiting ; utility player

Talanoa; better winger ?

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hazzard wrote:Let's have a look at the options

Yeaman ; final season ? Hopefully

Sa ; not the fastest, better impact SR off bench Better at centre IMO but think Radford will also use him in second row

Michaels ; mainly a winger? Can play centre

Logan ; looks good in attack and will improve defensively. Needs time to mature. Agreed - we must not expect too much of him too soon

Arundel ; been unlucky, don't think he's on as much as people say. Needs a run in a team, Out of favour, not likely to get a look in

Whiting ; utility player Back row forward

Talanoa; better winger ?Maybe worth a try at centre given his positional weaknesses






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