FORUMS FORUMS




  

Home Hull FC westerman



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 888 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 ... 89  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:59 pm 
International Star
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Feb 11 2014
Posts: 1073
Location: Hill Valley
Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:I don't think anyone would argue that Radford was appointed as a head coach way too soon in his career, and not one Hull fan would say they were happy with what we've done under his tenure these past two seasons.

That said, there are facets of our game that are good, such as our meter making, field position & defence, but other (probably more important) elements of our game that are substandard. Radford IMO isn't a bad coach, but he hasn't yet proven he's a good one either, and needs help, whether that me more experience on the coaching staff or an attacking expert.


My opinion has actually changed on Radford a bit this afternoon after seeing the Harlequins thread about McDermott as it has got me thinking seeing the parallels between their situation on the pitch back then and ours now. Before reading that I thought, as you mentioned, that Radders was appointed way too soon. But my personal opinion of him based on what we have seen so far is that he is a bad coach.

Now I'm having a rethink. Reading that thread it seems clear that Harlequins fans didn't rate McDermott in a similar way to how a lot of us don't rate Radford. The problems they cited on the field are a lot of things that we bemoan and McDermott was struggling to figure out what was going wrong and turn it around. Something Radford has admitted to in the past.

Yet McDermott has now just gone and won the treble with Leeds. Can he really be the same coach that the Harlequins fans wanted sacking? If anything it shows that back then he was unproven and at Leeds he's proven himself. Maybe that means that the next club that Radford coaches will benefit from him earning his stripes with us? Who knows. But what I would suggest is that he's had better tools and a better infrastructure to work with at Leeds than he did at Harlequins that's helped him achieve success. Is our set-up closer to the Leeds model or the Harlequins/Broncos model I wonder?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:16 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jan 11 2005
Posts: 3913
Location: West Hull
Sheldon wrote:So it's 4 years now.

Did anyone tell Saints? Cunningham only had 2 years as assistant.

Nathan Brown didn't get 4. Nor Wayne Bennett. But Gentle did wtf?!?

There's no set formula, if you think someone's your best candidate you appoint them.


That is Bellamy's opinion- 4 years...

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:27 pm 
International Chairman
International Chairman
User avatar

Joined: Mar 22 2007
Posts: 30480
Mild mannered Janitor wrote:Season passes are for sale at prices of up to £260, I used a broad brush figure of £200, that would account for VAT.

The SMC costs is exactly that, it would not affect the top line.

Regarding your comment in bold. That's your opinion and that's fair enough. Its not mine though. I saw no real reason to attend those last two games so when I had other offers of thing to do, I chose not to attend (despite having a season pass). As I mentioned earlier, I dont attend friendlies as a rule as they are nothing games, a little like the Hudds and Cats games.

Unfortunately most of our good performances came away from home.



I think your brioadbrush figure is way out. Even a top priced ticket is only just over £200 net of VAT. Add in kids tickets as low as £60 and concessions around £130 and I'd have said the average would be nearer £150.

You're right that the income figure wouldn't be affected by the SMC agreement but it's a fairly fundamental thing when we're actually considering profit/loss, not turnover.

As for your reasons for non attendance then I'll take your word for it but I doubt many of those attending weren't going because the games had no bearing on league position, but down to our general shatness at home






The poor man's bonaire

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:31 pm 
International Chairman
International Chairman
User avatar

Joined: Mar 22 2007
Posts: 30480
I think radford would have been in with a good shout of winning something in the last 3 years with this leeds squad. I'm not very convinced mcdermott is a great coach. Big test for mcdermott next season with sinfield and peacock going






The poor man's bonaire

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:05 pm 
Club Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Feb 12 2005
Posts: 13126
Location: East Staffordshire
Doc Brown wrote:Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.


I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.






"To play your best football you need players with enthusiasm and drive and energy." - Peter Sterling

Adam Pearson said not wrote:I know there are two franchises and two clubs (in Hull) and that will remain forever more

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:57 pm 
Moderator
Moderator

Joined: Oct 27 2006
Posts: 10714
Westerman has agreed terms with Leeds, but club haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Pearson not happy with agreeing a fee with Leeds due to previous player situations and the fact that hetherington won't stump up the 150k that Pearson wants. 1 year on westermans contract left and an unhappy player if he has to stay there.


Last edited by Frosties. on Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:58 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Dec 29 2011
Posts: 3607
Location: Back row of Threepenny, forever
ccs wrote:.... so when only 6000 actually went to the Huddersfield match, it suggests that 2000 "core" supporters didn't bother.
Lets hope next season those 2000 start going again, otherwise income really will drop, or is that too difficult to understand?

We've done this one.

Crowd announced at 9300

plenty of walk ups, not passholders, so what was the crowd?

So what benefit does Pearson get from bleating about crowds smaller then Rovers






He was right in the end

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:06 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Dec 29 2011
Posts: 3607
Location: Back row of Threepenny, forever
Frosties. wrote:Westerman has agreed terms with Leeds, but club haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Pearson not happy with agreeing a fee with Leeds due to previous player situations and the fact that hetherington won't stump up the 150k that Pearson wants. 1 year on westermans contract left and an unhappy player if he has to stay there.

I hope Morleys "appearance" busts your salary cap.

If AP sells Westerman then he'll be done here "over my dead body" was his cry,

Then flogs 2 stars, one to the club he "hates"






He was right in the end

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:16 pm 
Player Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jul 25 2008
Posts: 14158
frepneyboy wrote:I hope Morleys "appearance" busts your salary cap.

If AP sells Westerman then he'll be done here "over my dead body" was his cry,

Then flogs 2 stars, one to the club he "hates"

I like Westerman (may come as a shock to some :D ) and hope this is wrong, but if the player has indicated he'll be leaving at the end of his contract it'd be daft to not cash in. £100k seems fair, not sure AP will get £150k.

I am worried that we don't have anyone as a direct replacement. (Please note anyone saying Abdull can will be ridiculed, nowhere near ready)

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:39 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jan 11 2005
Posts: 3913
Location: West Hull
Staffs FC wrote:I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.


add to that, a quality well resourced backroom staff..

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 888 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 ... 89  Next





It is currently Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:41 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chris71, Dave K., Ellam, Greavsie, Marcus's Bicycle, mwindass, Offy86, Paddyfc, RC15, Steve0 and 219 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:41 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41667
3m
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
3m
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Hullfc-white
105
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
BOSS HOG
64929
7m
Film game
BOSS HOG
7674
10m
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
297
12m
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
15m
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 1
rugbyleague8
22
17m
Social Media
upthetrin92
20
29m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5011
53m
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
55m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire n Steel
12
Recent
Redvee Update
rubber ducki
40
Recent
New version of Old Faithful
Hasbag
7
Recent
Tyson Smoothy
Shifty Cat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0s
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Hullfc-white
105
0s
Lunatics running the asylum
the-bearded-
2
0s
TV Games - Not Hull
number 6
3176
1s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3076
2s
BORED The Band Name Game
BOSS HOG
64929
2s
Scurr
dddooommm
20
13s
Film game
BOSS HOG
7674
19s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5011
21s
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
297
26s
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
28s
Leigh h
Wigg'n
16
29s
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 1
rugbyleague8
22
30s
Leeds v Wakefield
Emagdnim13
12
32s
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
35s
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Tyson Smoothy
Shifty Cat
1
TODAY
BBC Games
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
TODAY
Lunatics running the asylum
the-bearded-
2
TODAY
New version of Old Faithful
Hasbag
7
TODAY
Andrew Badrock
Septimius Se
1
TODAY
Digital Season ticket
stpatricks
4
TODAY
Leeds v Wakefield
Emagdnim13
12
TODAY
Sam Burgess article in the Guardian
BOSS HOG
4
TODAY
Squads - Warriors v Leopards
LeythIg
6
TODAY
New Screen
Highlander
3
TODAY
Leigh h
Wigg'n
16
TODAY
New RL Podcast - Real Class
christopher
5
TODAY
Thursdays ref
Frank Bumper
5
TODAY
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
TODAY
Scurr
dddooommm
20
TODAY
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
22
TODAY
12th February
Murphy
4
TODAY
Man Utd v Wigan Warriors
NickyKiss
4
TODAY
Fantasy Super League Competition
katevans11
1
TODAY
Super League Prediction Competition
katevans11
1
TODAY
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
TODAY
Social Media
upthetrin92
20
TODAY
Super league Or Sky Sports
wakeytrin
10
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire n Steel
12
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition RESULTS AND STANDINGS
Uncle Rico
1
TODAY
Sheffield away
terry silver
5
TODAY
Sound system
BarnsleyGull
7
TODAY
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shock In Defeating the Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
556
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
523
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
571
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
568
Betfred Super League Season Se..
743
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
765
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1418
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1192
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1265
Thatto Heath Hold On To Set Up..
1442
Army Beat The RAF In Challenge..
1406
Waterhead Warriors Golden Poin..
1506
Four From Rugby League Honoure..
1895
Leeds Rhinos Beat Wakefield Tr..
2716
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
2775
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
Sun 9th Feb
CC2025 3 Bradford18-16Castleford
CC2025 3 Featherstone68-0Ince R
CC2025 3 Hunslet6-34Huddersfield
CC2025 3 Midlands10-46Salford
CC2025 3 Batley24-4Dewsbury
CC2025 3 Crusaders20-26Widnes
CC2025 3 Oldham42-4Barrow
Sat 8th Feb
CC20253 Goole V0-82Wakefield
CC2025 3 Halifax0-14Catalans
CC2025 3 Whitehaven4-44Warrington
CC2025 3 York A6-52Hull FC
CC2025 3 West Hull0-38St.Helens
CC2025 3 Leeds92-0WEST W
Fri 7th Feb
CC2025 3 Sheffield12-48Wigan
CC2025 3 Workington0-60Leigh
CC2025 3 York2-44Hull KR
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41667
3m
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
3m
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Hullfc-white
105
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
BOSS HOG
64929
7m
Film game
BOSS HOG
7674
10m
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
297
12m
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
15m
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 1
rugbyleague8
22
17m
Social Media
upthetrin92
20
29m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5011
53m
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
55m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire n Steel
12
Recent
Redvee Update
rubber ducki
40
Recent
New version of Old Faithful
Hasbag
7
Recent
Tyson Smoothy
Shifty Cat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0s
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Hullfc-white
105
0s
Lunatics running the asylum
the-bearded-
2
0s
TV Games - Not Hull
number 6
3176
1s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3076
2s
BORED The Band Name Game
BOSS HOG
64929
2s
Scurr
dddooommm
20
13s
Film game
BOSS HOG
7674
19s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5011
21s
Leeds away first up
Trojan Horse
297
26s
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
28s
Leigh h
Wigg'n
16
29s
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 1
rugbyleague8
22
30s
Leeds v Wakefield
Emagdnim13
12
32s
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
35s
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Tyson Smoothy
Shifty Cat
1
TODAY
BBC Games
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
2025 Goal Kickers
Big lads mat
2
TODAY
Lunatics running the asylum
the-bearded-
2
TODAY
New version of Old Faithful
Hasbag
7
TODAY
Andrew Badrock
Septimius Se
1
TODAY
Digital Season ticket
stpatricks
4
TODAY
Leeds v Wakefield
Emagdnim13
12
TODAY
Sam Burgess article in the Guardian
BOSS HOG
4
TODAY
Squads - Warriors v Leopards
LeythIg
6
TODAY
New Screen
Highlander
3
TODAY
Leigh h
Wigg'n
16
TODAY
New RL Podcast - Real Class
christopher
5
TODAY
Thursdays ref
Frank Bumper
5
TODAY
Post Match Music
Bullseye
7
TODAY
Scurr
dddooommm
20
TODAY
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
22
TODAY
12th February
Murphy
4
TODAY
Man Utd v Wigan Warriors
NickyKiss
4
TODAY
Fantasy Super League Competition
katevans11
1
TODAY
Super League Prediction Competition
katevans11
1
TODAY
Round 1 - London H
bull on a ca
20
TODAY
Social Media
upthetrin92
20
TODAY
Super league Or Sky Sports
wakeytrin
10
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire n Steel
12
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition RESULTS AND STANDINGS
Uncle Rico
1
TODAY
Sheffield away
terry silver
5
TODAY
Sound system
BarnsleyGull
7
TODAY
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shock In Defeating the Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
556
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
523
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
571
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
568
Betfred Super League Season Se..
743
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
765
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1418
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1192
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1265
Thatto Heath Hold On To Set Up..
1442
Army Beat The RAF In Challenge..
1406
Waterhead Warriors Golden Poin..
1506
Four From Rugby League Honoure..
1895
Leeds Rhinos Beat Wakefield Tr..
2716
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
2775


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.