Just a mistimed forearm in the face. You see this all the time in the NRL and at the most it ends with a penalty and a player being placed on report, the majority of the times the referee just tells the player to get on with it and play the ball, the video ref included .......Rugby is a contact sport believe it or not!
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Bal wrote:I agree. I posted the picture earlier on that shows hit arm would have hit his chest if Simon's head had stayed at the same level.
However, he did, none the less make contact with the head as a result of an extended arm, and I think they will class that are a "careless strike to the head", which is Grade B.
I hope I'm wrong and your right.
i reckon you are right, but also hope we are both wrong!
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Bal wrote:I agree. I posted the picture earlier on that shows hit arm would have hit his chest if Simon's head had stayed at the same level.
However, he did, none the less make contact with the head as a result of an extended arm, and I think they will class that are a "careless strike to the head", which is Grade B.
I hope I'm wrong and your right.
It's difficult to effect a tackle without extending your arms. In fact if you keep you arms down you're likely to get pinged for a shoulder charge.
It's always a dice roll with the Panel but it will be a bollox decision if they charge him at all IMO.
Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One
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pmarrow wrote:A few things to consider.
1) The video has being shown to make Ellis look as bad as possible. At real speed I doubt it looks as bad as the video as it will show it is near impossible for Ellis to pull out. - Whether he can pull out or not, he still was aiming for and hit him in the face
2) Simon falls into Ellis's arm, it was aimed at the chest this means contact was accidental and not reckless. Either way, the rule is no contact with the head.
3) Despite this, it is Ellis responsibilty going into the tackle to make sure he does not make contact with the head, he is unfortunate and unlucky to make contact but the reality is he has. As above I agree
4) Michael Carter is being a cry baby and obviousley using this situation as an attempt to have a dig at the rfl. The whole everyones against us thing is rather precious and makes him look stupid, his players wont have being angels every tackle this season. - I agree. Really not what we want from our Chairman
All that said Ellis has a good record and a EGP and a one match ban is a fair result. - I'd like to have seen something done on field ( I can't actually remember whether we got a penalty but I didn't think so. We lost a player for a while as he was checked for concussion but Ellis isn't a dirty player so EGP is justified
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
So in the split second between you going to wrap/attack the ball carrying arm and actual point of contact the players body shifts which otherwise no contact to head would be made you are to magically defying the laws of physics and physical ability of the human brain/body and adjust the trajectory of your tackle and the momentum involved? Well scientists have shown that reaction times of a person in motorvehicles are around 0.7 seconds at the very best to an unexpected situation. That doesn't include the motor aspect of then applying a physical part of your body. ANY charge would be cretinous but then that partly describes the system in any case.
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