Kosh wrote:As I've put above, if you look at everything that's been said by the coaches and players over the last few weeks you don't get the feeling that Radford has asked them to play conservatively. Teams short on confidence tend to play that way by themselves, especially if they have ineffective leadership on the pitch.
If your theory is correct, are you saying we suddenly found our confidence after 60 mins today, I personally felt after the 2 close defeats and then his interview in hdm afterwards stating we have to get bsck to basics, thats exactly what hes done, think it caused a bit of a rift in camp, hence the widness performance, followed by changing room fiasco. Radford under pressure, played it safe in the wakefield game, continued that for 60 mins today, before sending the message out to scrap the saftey first tactics. Makes more sense to me, then the players all off a sudden finding their confidence 60 mins into a game, when getting beat 20 zip.
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WormInHand wrote:But none of it makes sense. Why the massive crash in confidence after Catalans? It would indicate that something changed behind the scene.
It makes less sense that a coach would look at our first two win and decide to completely change the way we play.
I suspect that the players got carried away and took Cas too lightly. Losing that game they way they did dented their confidence, and that was further exacerbated by the Wigan defeat. Then the Widnes fiasco happened.
Everything that the senior players and Radford have said in public indicates that the team has not been following the game play set out by the coaching staff. Radford's description of how he told the players to open up today further strengthens the feeling that this has been the case. On the flip side I haven't seen a single convincing argument for Radford suddenly adopting a conservative game plan.
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Tinkerman23 wrote:If your theory is correct, are you saying we suddenly found our confidence after 60 mins today, I personally felt after the 2 close defeats and then his interview in hdm afterwards stating we have to get bsck to basics, thats exactly what hes done, think it caused a bit of a rift in camp, hence the widness performance, followed by changing room fiasco. Radford under pressure, played it safe in the wakefield game, continued that for 60 mins today, before sending the message out to scrap the saftey first tactics. Makes more sense to me, then the players all off a sudden finding their confidence 60 mins into a game, when getting beat 20 zip.
You're entitled to think what you like but IMO that's straying into tinfoil hat levels of extrapolation from the available information.
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Kosh wrote:It makes less sense that a coach would look at our first two win and decide to completely change the way we play.
Agree.
Kosh wrote:I suspect that the players got carried away and took Cas too lightly. Losing that game they way they did dented their confidence, and that was further exacerbated by the Wigan defeat. Then the Widnes fiasco happened.
Everything that the senior players and Radford have said in public indicates that the team has not been following the game play set out by the coaching staff. Radford's description of how he told the players to open up today further strengthens the feeling that this has been the case. On the flip side I haven't seen a single convincing argument for Radford suddenly adopting a conservative game plan.
But according to the interview bonaire heard Radford himself said he sent the instruction down to throw caution to the wind for the last 20 minutes. Indicating that caution was the instruction up to that point.
Certainly something seems to have changed after Cats but I don't understand why Radford would instigate that.
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WormInHand wrote:But none of it makes sense. Why the massive crash in confidence after Catalans? It would indicate that something changed behind the scene.
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WormInHand wrote:Agree.
But according to the interview bonaire heard Radford himself said he sent the instruction down to throw caution to the wind for the last 20 minutes. Indicating that caution was the instruction up to that point.
Certainly something seems to have changed after Cats but I don't understand why Radford would instigate that.
Aaarrrggghhhh!
What Radford said was that he PLEADED with the players to be more Ad Hoc. That actually strengthens the argument that they haven't been following the game plan. Of course, the question then becomes why he couldn't get them to follow the plan in the first place...
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Kosh wrote:You're entitled to think what you like but IMO that's straying into tinfoil hat levels of extrapolation from the available information.
So is, all off a sudden someone switched the confidence switch on and we start playing decent confident rugby, somethings gone on, whatever it is I hope it continues into monday. Available information? Dont you think watching the games backs my point up at all , as looked pretty obvious to me that weve gone with a saftey first approach the last few games
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I can honestly say like many I thought when we went 20 down all i was thinking was dont get nilled.Not at the races at all then unstoppable. Many on here after the Widnes game said Radford never has a plan B today he did we won and gets no credit for it from some. Regardless how we won and whats gone on so far if we was given 4th at this stage before the season started we would have took it and be more than happy.Monday will be a different game and it would not surprise me if we won.See the very poor Wakey side took the Giants to bits not that poor then ... Giants Coach or players fault??
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