phil webbo wrote:Interesting that the video is by Les Mutrie, I assume the same Les Mutrie who used to grace the team.

Obadiah wrote:Apologies for mixing up the answers, but my brain is fried.

I think the mortgages Assem Allam said he repaid were those Bartlett obtained on Hull City's future ticket sales and maybe the parachute payments. I don't remember him saying anything about the RBS loan when he bought the club.

There is an agreement to pay the £2 million to RBS over 3 years. This is reported in the accounts. I'd be surprised if he'd paid it off.

Assem Allam isn't shown as a creditor in the SMC accounts. Only Hull City Tigers Limited. The debt to Hull City Tigers Limited is well over £6 million.

I think there is evidence he is in fundamental breach of the lease. There are three main parts to the lease, the KC, the Arena and the profit sharing. The SMC didn't have to pay rent and get to keep most of the profits from the KC in return for allowing the community to use the Arena at roughly the same rates as the Council would charge. What the Allams have done is a fundamental breach in my view.

I'm not sure how good his solicitors are. Both Barmby and Bullard agreed to settlements with a gagging clause so we don't know how much he had to pay out to them. Bullard's contract with Ipswich Town would have reduced any settlement significantly.

Barmby's father took him on and won. He threatened RBS and backtracked.

On all the major points the arbitration found in favour of the FA. If Malcolm Clark had declared an interest at the Membership Committee meeting he'd have lost the arbitration appeal. I think finding in his favour was a fig leaf so he didn't have to keep his promise to sell within 24 hours. We'll see what happens this time.

I'd be surprised if the Council terminate the tenancy. They would be better getting an order to restore the Arena to its previous state on the grounds that its a fundamental breach. If the SMC then failed to comply the Council would have a court order on which to base any termination of the lease.

Time for a cup of tea.

Diogenes wrote:Wrong in every respect and betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of both company and criminal law. If the council had any sense and were properly advised they would do a deal with RBS and call out Hull City Tigers Limited whom I very much doubt would want their conduct to be scrutinised in court.

Diogenes wrote:A leaseholder has rights but also has additional responsibilities. If the council can lawfully terminate the lease it can make whatever future arrangements it wants for the future running of the stadium. This may or may not involve granting a new lease to someone else or running it through an arms length company.

WormInHand wrote:Meeting tomorrow, Phil.

From your earlier post I guess the "FM" contract (Financial Management?) is a sub-contract within the SMC one? A bit like a tenant renting a bedroom to another tenant?

phil webbo wrote:Had the meeting this morning with Steve, He is adamant that they (SMC) have 10 days to return the Arena to its former state (7 days left) or action will DEFINATELY be taken regardless of cost, he said "the only way that the 3G pitch stays down is if a court rules against us" so it looks like the battle lines have been draw no if buts or maybe's, He does however go on to say that he will work with them to get the academy upgrade still, personally I think it's to late to offer olive branches to them as they have a long history now of deception, as is proven on the Allam out web page, where he clearly says, re- the name change "if the FA allow it but the fans don't want it, it wont change" so much for the ballot of fans that went against him.

Mrs Barista wrote:Sounds promising - can I ask a couple of questions on the council's mood?
Is success now defined as getting the pitch removed then "as you were", or to change the SMC set-up altogether given the repeated antagonism to the world and his dog of the current operators? Kind of feels like the Allams backing down on the pitch would be a battle won, but leave them with the artillery to win the war. Put another way, if they do nothing, will the action be to send in contractors to remove the pitch or to remove the SMC as operators?

What sort of support will be offered on the academy upgrade, do we know yet?

The long history of deception started with the lies about a Sporting Village Gift which he said specifically wasn't about financial benefit, followed up by talk of a supermarket and boutiques for wives to shop in whilst men went to the game, ending up with a name change being imperative because they were relying on cash from their private development of the stadium area to fund Hull City, a private limited company. Good luck with getting the local media (Angus Young apart) to call any of this out. They seem to be in his pocket.

phil webbo wrote:Had the meeting this morning with Steve, He is adamant that they (SMC) have 10 days to return the Arena to its former state (7 days left) or action will DEFINATELY be taken regardless of cost, he said "the only way that the 3G pitch stays down is if a court rules against us" so it looks like the battle lines have been draw no if buts or maybe's, He does however go on to say that he will work with them to get the academy upgrade still, personally I think it's to late to offer olive branches to them as they have a long history now of deception, as is proven on the Allam out web page, where he clearly says, re- the name change "if the FA allow it but the fans don't want it, it wont change" so much for the ballot of fans that went against him.