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airliebird,runninglate! wrote:If you seriously believe Michaels offers more than Talanoa I'd have to question how many games you've actually seen in recent years. It's not even close. Michaels is a 110% er. Thats it. Not knocking him at all. But there is not aspect of his play I'd rate above Talanoa. You say defensively. Not on the basis of lots of games this year The difference in impact out of backfield with Talanoa in his 1st game back was enormous. Need to get the right player in to replace Fonua. Because while they've been out its highlighted just how important they were to our successes last year
Not that I am defending bumpy but to be fair Michaels and Talanoa are different players altogether so comparing is very difficult. To say there is not an aspect of his play you'd rate above Talanoa is a little harsh though thats your opinion. For me Michaels is more reliable under high balls than Talanoa and offers us something that Talanoa doesn't and vice versa Talanoa offers better go forward on returns due to his physical presence but in fairness Michaels aint been too shabby in that dept either when asked.
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airliebird,runninglate! wrote:If you seriously believe Michaels offers more than Talanoa I'd have to question how many games you've actually seen in recent years. It's not even close. Michaels is a 110% er. Thats it. Not knocking him at all. But there is not aspect of his play I'd rate above Talanoa. You say defensively. Not on the basis of lots of games this year The difference in impact out of backfield with Talanoa in his 1st game back was enormous. Need to get the right player in to replace Fonua. Because while they've been out its highlighted just how important they were to our successes last year
Given your repsonse I'd have to question not how much you watch but your basic understanding of what qualities and deficiencies each player has and how rugby league actually works.
Michaels is a superior player to Talanoa in every department aside from maybe basic grunt going forward. Michaels defence/tackling ability is twice that of Talanoa's, covers others defensive errors and can actually catch a high ball. He is far more flexible in where we can use him too as well as he rarely goes off the boil. You have you're opinion but what we see on the field says that you are wrong.
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Given your repsonse I'd have to question not how much you watch but your basic understanding of what qualities and deficiencies each player has and how rugby league actually works.
Michaels is a superior player to Talanoa in every department aside from maybe basic grunt going forward. Michaels defence/tackling ability is twice that of Talanoa's, covers others defensive errors and can actually catch a high ball. He is far more flexible in where we can use him too as well as he rarely goes off the boil. You have you're opinion but what we see on the field says that you are wrong.
Micheals defence has been poor this year, Micheal's does have stronger areas, mainly fitness and high balls, but overall Talanoa is a better winger. I think 99% of fans would rather have Talanoa as their winger in the Hull side and more importantly Radford (who sees them more than you and me) as their first choice winger.
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Given your repsonse I'd have to question not how much you watch but your basic understanding of what qualities and deficiencies each player has and how rugby league actually works.
Michaels is a superior player to Talanoa in every department aside from maybe basic grunt going forward. Michaels defence/tackling ability is twice that of Talanoa's, covers others defensive errors and can actually catch a high ball. He is far more flexible in where we can use him too as well as he rarely goes off the boil. You have you're opinion but what we see on the field says that you are wrong.
My drinks been spiked this year a few times then. High ball and defence has been very hit and miss Talanoa sucks in more men. Never turned over. Fastest play of the ball in the team with Fonua. A prolific pen winner. How many times you seen in a tight spot in the corner michaels get bundled out compared to Talanoa? When michaels wasn't playing earlier in the year I didn't think jeez we're missing michaels Talanoa comes back Saturday and it stood out like a sore thumb how missed he's been. Michaels is the best back up winger any teams got in SL I imagine and hes had his moments this year mostly good and a few bad. But hell no is he better
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Personally I am 50/50 on which one to keep, Michaels or Talanoa, but I reckon Talanoa is going to be more and more injury prone so would go for Michaels myself. I really like both of them in truth, I believe though Rawsthorne is the future. Looks like he has something about him for sure
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hull smallears wrote:Personally I am 50/50 on which one to keep, Michaels or Talanoa, but I reckon Talanoa is going to be more and more injury prone so would go for Michaels myself. I really like both of them in truth, I believe though Rawsthorne is the future. Looks like he has something about him for sure
In light of it becoming harder to recruit from overseas now (having to Play 50% of games), is it feasible we could keep both for another year, with a view of Rawsthorne being a regular starter in 2019?
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Irregular Hoops wrote:In light of it becoming harder to recruit from overseas now (having to Play 50% of games), is it feasible we could keep both for another year, with a view of Rawsthorne being a regular starter in 2019?
i'd start rawsthorne next year myself and spend the money and quota spot elsewhere but I get your point. In hindsight having 3 quota spots on wingers is maybe not the wisest move, but we have a trophy to show for it so no criticism here
hull smallears wrote:i'd start rawsthorne next year myself and spend the money and quota spot elsewhere but I get your point. In hindsight having 3 quota spots on wingers is maybe not the wisest move, but we have a trophy to show for it so no criticism here
Three quota spots on wingers does seem a bit much when you think about it!
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but to be fair Michaels and Talanoa are different players altogether so comparing is very difficult. To say there is not an aspect of his play you'd rate above Talanoa is a little harsh though thats your opinion. For me Michaels is more reliable under high balls than Talanoa and offers us something that Talanoa doesn't and vice versa Talanoa offers better go forward on returns due to his physical presence but in fairness Michaels aint been too shabby in that dept either when asked.
