Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:49 am
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
PCollinson1990 wrote:the win at Wembley in 2016 was massive, anyone saying it wasn't just a little bit daft!
Really, why, because you placed a lot of emotion in to the fact we had not won at wembley, I didn't, it was a great day, a win we snatched from defeat by heroic efforts but an average performance on the day, I wasn't washed away with emotion like some because winning at Wembley wasn't a big deal for me. For me it isn't the pinnacle of following Hull FC (for me) but it is for Mrs B and others. Read again why that is relevant to what is being discussed regarding hanging on to what fans do as their own pinnacle, like Rovers 10-5 win against us in 1980.
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:55 am
knockersbumpMKII
International Chairman
Mrs Barista wrote:Maybe. As you say I think you’re in a minority of believing winning twice at Wembley was completely meaningless. I guess we could still be harking back to it in 40 years (well, not me personally as I’m unlikely to be around then!) but it would be disappointing to think it would signal we’d essentially done nothing since other than oscillate between the first and second tiers.
You're changing what I said, nowhere did I say winning the CC was meaningless, I said not having won at Wembley didn't mean anything, the location of the win is what you and others invested a lot of feeling/emotion in to that fact, for me it didn't matter one jot if we had won at wembley, simply winning wherever is enough.
I understand why and I'm not saying it's wrong to have felt that way I'm just exploring why fans hang on to a certain pinnacle as you said you would with 2016 as you don't think it can be bettered, just as the 10-5 victory for some Rovers fans is the pinnacle for them and will continue to hang on to that pinnacle just like yourself and others.
It makes you and other FC fans no different to the KR fans in that respect.
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:58 am
PCollinson1990
Club Captain
Joined: Jan 02 2017 Posts: 1401
knockersbumpMKII wrote:Really, why, because you placed a lot of emotion in to the fact we had not won at wembley, I didn't, it was a great day, a win we snatched from defeat by heroic efforts but an average performance on the day, I wasn't washed away with emotion like some because winning at Wembley wasn't a big deal for me. For me it isn't the pinnacle of following Hull FC (for me) but it is for Mrs B and others. Read again why that is relevant to what is being discussed regarding hanging on to what fans do as their own pinnacle, like Rovers 10-5 win against us in 1980.
nothing MY club has done in the Radford era means anything to you, that is clear, why not go "support" a different team?
I was Lee's biggest critic, but I have happily had to eat that humble pie, Wembley was a BIG deal, maybe not to you, but I care more about what my cat thinks of his Dreamies than the diatribe you constantantly post.
Why not just say "nothing the club achieves with Lee at the helm means anything" and move on...
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:01 am
ComeOnYouUll
Club Owner
Joined: Sep 25 2003 Posts: 22247
ALL the Cup wins mean a lot to me. In 153 years we've only won it five times and I've been there for four of them, so I consider myself very fortunate.
2005 was an amazing feeling 23 years since the last Cup win. There was a tinge of regret that it wasn't at Wembley but it's still the same trophy. That said to finally get that monkey off our back in 2016 was for me the greatest day in the club's history.
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:22 am
WIZEB
Player Coach
Joined: Nov 23 2009 Posts: 12751 Location: The Hamptons of East Yorkshire
ComeOnYouUll wrote:ALL the Cup wins mean a lot to me. In 153 years we've only won it five times and I've been there for four of them, so I consider myself very fortunate.
2005 was an amazing feeling 23 years since the last Cup win. There was a tinge of regret that it wasn't at Wembley but it's still the same trophy. That said to finally get that monkey off our back in 2016 was for me the greatest day in the club's history.
All of that. Would say you've summed it up for a lot of us very eloquently.
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:57 am
Mild Rover
Moderator
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12656 Location: Leicestershire.
Mrs Barista wrote:Maybe. As you say I think you’re in a minority of believing winning twice at Wembley was completely meaningless. I guess we could still be harking back to it in 40 years (well, not me personally as I’m unlikely to be around then!) but it would be disappointing to think it would signal we’d essentially done nothing since other than oscillate between the first and second tiers.
I see the point that you’re making, but harking back to former glories doesn’t have to mean limited subsequent success.
Just because Hull have enjoyed recent cup wins, shouldn’t be any reason for those old enough to remember to stop looking back on your Premiership in ‘91 or the Elland Road replay in ‘82. Or for those younger to seek out the stories and rich history from then and back through the Roy Francis era and beyond to Billy Batten and Jack Harrison. That we were good in the 80s doesn’t mean we shouldn’t celebrate Flash Flanagan, Frank Foster, Scrubber Dale, Jack Spamer, Laurie Osborne, Arthur Moore, Alf Carmichael, Anthony Starks et al.
We should be grateful for people like Roger Pugh and Pete Allen, exactly for harking back to those stories.
And it doesn’t always have to be the big wins. I’ve read a few Codger’s Corners over the years, and they quite often have something along the lines of ‘it had been a difficult year...’ near their beginning. After our last major trophy, our years of oscillating between the top two tiers still gave us Paul Fletcher, Stanley Gene, Scott Murrell, Mick Vella, Michael Dobson, Clint Newton and an interesting variety of minor honours. And some nice derby memories as a cherry on top.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
as was buying silly expensive carpets for the board room but not paying players and a certain solicitor "disappearing" the profits of the sale of the old craven park...
as was buying silly expensive carpets for the board room but not paying players and a certain solicitor "disappearing" the profits of the sale of the old craven park...
Post subject: Re: Heroic 12 man FC defy odds to land 6 derby wins in a row
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:40 am
DGM
International Star
Joined: Mar 03 2015 Posts: 2490
ComeOnYouUll wrote:ALL the Cup wins mean a lot to me. In 153 years we've only won it five times and I've been there for four of them, so I consider myself very fortunate.
2005 was an amazing feeling 23 years since the last Cup win. There was a tinge of regret that it wasn't at Wembley but it's still the same trophy. That said to finally get that monkey off our back in 2016 was for me the greatest day in the club's history.
Sums it up for me too.
Wembley is special for me, my friends and family, always will be. Different generations travelled down there in the 50s & 80s, as well as recent losses in ‘08 & ‘13, only to come back disappointed, that made 2016 especially emotional.
It was as if the club was cursed, so to then go and win it back-to-back was huge. 2016-17 (and perhaps beyond) will be a lengthy chapter in future editions of “A History of Hull FC”, hopefully accompanied by a big picture of a grinning Radford.
Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017. Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013. League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983. League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.
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