The Ghost of '99 wrote:the foundation upon which the Sky contract is built.

Irregular Hoops wrote:Sky don’t rate them that highly, as the deal is ever (massively) diminishing. And the game is powerless to do anything about it.

The Ghost of '99 wrote:You're missing the point. We need more of the better rating games, like the Hull derby. We don't have enough of them and proposing to eliminate some just makes the starting point even worse, never mind the damage it would do to the sport in those areas.

The Dentist Wilf wrote:Its obvious that fans are a bit wary of discussing this latest development in any sort of detail for it is certainly a subject close to everyones hearts and of course opposing fans will discard it as simply 'Pearson Rhetoric'

But, man you can always rely on Adam shooting from the hip and on occasions into his own foot. I can't agree with some of what he says, at all, of course I can't, but at least he's saying something and perhaps just perhaps when you scrape away at the surface of what he has said you realise what a parlous state the game is in and what an impact the massive reduction in TV money will have on the sport. Plus therefore the control that Sky has over the games future destiny.

Sky knew no one else was interested in a tired and flagging product and therefore took the calculated risk of offering a much reduced bid. In turn the Clubs knew that no one else was interested so we snapped their hand off. But this is just a situation that will continue to spiral downwards if we don't do something about it. Many say what the hell has Sky's opinion on the format of the game to do with anything, but I would hazard a guess it now has quite a lot.

We are marginalised by the press and the media simply because we are as Adam says lagging behind other sports who don't have as good a product as ours but who have been proactive at moving with the times and the changing way that people engage with sport because they have looked at what others are doing and cherry picked the best bits. I switched on the hundreds ready to scoff at it and ridicule the format and although its not totally for me I have watched it and can 100 per cent get how it appeals to new fans and brings new money into the game. Headingley has seen more in for a handful of games than it will for a whole season of Yorkshire County matches. The weak leadership and 'fiddling as Rome burns' we have seen from the RFL for years saw the Clubs take the initiative off them and that's where the self interest from owners started. Something Adam admits he has been party to as have all the other owners. Whats more the RFL continue to make poor decisions just look at the Academy fiasco.

On a note closer to home, some will say that in this interview Adam's placing of so much of the future of the club on this weekends game and us getting into the play offs is just an attempt to get bums on seats and perhaps they are right in part but the bigger picture for Hull FC is much darker.

At present there is still a big resistance from older fans to attending anything where large amounts of sometimes unvaccinated people are attending. but that's a fact the game, cinemas, theatres and even pubs have to live with for now, but we are none the less as a club with few assets, a shared stadium with a stadium Management company creaming off our ticket sales, almost wholly dependant on Sky, on what we can sell in our shops and get through the gates and so in a bad place at present. Therefore I would shy away from dismissing Adams comments about the next few months being critical for the clubs very existence as just trying to drum up ticket sales for the remaining games, Those inside the club will tell you a lot different. In fact some staff are really worried about things and pursuing other options outside the game for fear of what the future holds. So, despite the usual hype 'hip shooting' and sensationalism this interview includes it perhaps does indicate that things are going on behind the scenes and that the clubs and the RFL realise together that action is needed to save the game.They have to put their differences behind them and forget about self interest something history has proved is easier said than done.

One things for sure whatever you think about Adam Pearson and his comments the next few months are critical for the game.

ComeOnYouUll wrote:I'm not sure the Hull derby is one of the better rating games. As has been pointed out there's not much interest in it outside the city.

The Ghost of '99 wrote:You're missing the point. We need more of the better rating games, like the Hull derby. We don't have enough of them and proposing to eliminate some just makes the starting point even worse, never mind the damage it would do to the sport in those areas.

Isaiah wrote:Derbies are good, but you can have too many of them.

Chris71 wrote:I think the part of your post I've highlighted in bold is the biggest issue and cause of the problems the game is facing.

For too long the RFL and all involved within have been far too parochial and there has been a definite reluctance to relinquish any part of the game to outside partoes for fear of losing any control. The SL then chose to try and do it themselves which just compounded the problems as most of the clubs then started to look out for the own interests and not the game. They even brought in an outsider in Elston who had a proven background and gave him to task to come up with answers yet a number of clubs then didnt like the answers so Elston then left his role as it was a pointless task.

The game is still classed and viewed by mainstream media and the public as a game played up north amongst flap caps and whippets. Until the RFL and SL (Europe) get their blinkers off and actually invest in the right areas & people such as marketing and have a properly thought out strategy it wont' make any difference to whatever they try to achieve with the game.

This is for me the crux of the issue, there are certain factions that seem quite happy to sit take out the game yet are not prepared to really earn their corn to do their job effectively.

I've said before I'm not a big fan of the Hearns but the game unfortunately needs to look at people like them that can really turn the sport around in terms of the marketing and revenue stream potential. They have the where with all and non blinkered vision to make decisions whether liked or not to improve and grow what they are involved with for the better.

Between the RFL and SL they have blown countless opportunities to steal a march on other sports but just sat back and now have been overtaken and lag behind.

The big issue now is that they have messed about and dithered with the sport so much over the past decade with no real strategy and they are now turning off the fans the sport had which is a big concern.

As for comments from trolls such as its because AP cant afford it or he's over spent etc whether true or not I can't say but even the likes of Leeds who are Hethetrington openly admitted have lost 3/4 of a million and wlll do so again, its not rocket science to realise that even the few clubs that have money won't survive without the game.

barham red wrote:One of RL's biggest negatives is that most of the games are played in half empty (and in some cases nearly empty) stadia with no atmosphere and as such very little excitement. Regardsless of the quality of the game on Saturday there will be a full stadium and an electric atmosphere. If a random viewer tunes into a game with all the atmosphere of a Sunday league game what is the initial view, even the clubs real fans can't be bothered.

The local 'grudge' matches are the ones that generate viewers, like someone said earlier, clubs not being nice to each other generates the viewing figures and the interest, ultimately column inches.

One big management learning is that to get on you need 10% perfomanace 60% image and 30% exposure.. RL has all its eggs in the performance bucket. The 100 did well because it had a good image and high exposure, the games average but people will watch because others are watching and the media are telling them to. We need to get to that whilst not alienating the current fan base.