The Ghost of '99 wrote:Got to laugh at the idea of Hetherington being either tight when it comes to investing in the team (£150k transfer fee for Brett Ferres!) or some sort of protectionist dinosaur. He's paid more transfer fees than anyone else in the league, it's just his best investment has been in the youth side.
As the only person in the game who has founded an expansion team and made it a success and run a big establishment team and made it a success and is one of the few on the SL side who doesn't need to make a selfish grab for more cash his views are probably worthy of more weight than others.
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The Ghost of '99 wrote:Got to laugh at the idea of Hetherington being either tight when it comes to investing in the team (£150k transfer fee for Brett Ferres!) or some sort of protectionist dinosaur. He's paid more transfer fees than anyone else in the league, it's just his best investment has been in the youth side.
As the only person in the game who has founded an expansion team and made it a success and run a big establishment team and made it a success and is one of the few on the SL side who doesn't need to make a selfish grab for more cash his views are probably worthy of more weight than others.
Hey Ghost, got to agree with a little of that post, but correct me if I’m mistaken, the “ten year policy” which has been used by Leeds so well, has probably also been their Achilles heal so to speak, as with Burrow Mags Watkins Sir Kev Ryan Hall and others, Leeds have been able to manipulate the fifty percent discount cap for ten year service and has been able to sign a nigh complete Australian pack, presumably using the extra cash available because of this system, nothing wrong with this, but it has also made Leeds keep players longer than they needed. The part of your post I don’t agree with is the wise investment of youth, Sinfield and Watkins are Lancashire lads, as Singleton is a Cumbrian, which players would you say in all honesty, in this present Leeds team, do you think will reach the standards of these great players.
Riderofthepalehorse wrote:Hey Ghost, got to agree with a little of that post, but correct me if I’m mistaken, the “ten year policy” which has been used by Leeds so well, has probably also been their Achilles heal so to speak, as with Burrow Mags Watkins Sir Kev Ryan Hall and others, Leeds have been able to manipulate the fifty percent discount cap for ten year service and has been able to sign a nigh complete Australian pack, presumably using the extra cash available because of this system, nothing wrong with this, but it has also made Leeds keep players longer than they needed. The part of your post I don’t agree with is the wise investment of youth, Sinfield and Watkins are Lancashire lads, as Singleton is a Cumbrian, which players would you say in all honesty, in this present Leeds team, do you think will reach the standards of these great players.
I think the salary cap discount only applies to a certain level? It's not like Leeds had a whole raft of players whose salaries didn't count on the cap. As for players who can reach that level, you don't know until you try them out. McDermott has managed to get a few younger guys in the team but, perhaps tellingly, the ones who have flourished are in the forwards. Walker apart and he's such a freak that it's almost impossible for him not to have come through. So who can reach the level of the club legends? Who knows- Walker and Oledzki look the real deal but it's the half back/creative/controlling area that we need to work on. And for that we need a particular type of coach. Someone like, say, Tony Smith. . .
it's a very tough call, yes he had a side with lots of great players in it but despite the waffling's of they could have won without any coach as per some (incl McClellenan) this is clearly a load of poop. Teams will always have a lull, it's only natural, it's almost impossible under the current SC that a team will dominate every year and I think that teams like Leeds and Wigan have fans that truly believe they should automatically be up there every year no matter what.
Was it time for McDermott to leave after the GF win last year as some have said, probably not, is that what you would do at your place of work after a good year having had a bad one the year before, extremely unlikely. I guess he thought there was a team to build up again and carry on for more silverware and rightly so. Seven defeats in a row and being perilously close to the bottom four will make owners/directors butt cheeks start to clench but I don't see how this benefits Leeds at all at this moment in time, I really don't.
Strange one indeed especially when its obvious McDermott's upset and was surprised by it because he claims it came out of the blue and the Club claim no one is lined up for the job, almost knee jerk from Hetherington. Could be a players revolt I guess, but I doubt that so it will be interesting to see what happens now.
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If he's been in charge of recruitment and retention he fully deserves sacking. For the biggest club in the league their squad is shockingly poor.
msdermott was a lucky coach in charge of an exceptional group of players for a few years who didn't really need much in the way of coaching, which is fortunate as he isn't capable of coaching. He's so tactically inept it's unreal.
But not every year can be a top recruitment year, there are so many factors including who is available, an unexpected injury to a top player, someone who retires or wants to leave to go elsewhere (like Ryan Hall) and if you're focusing on the core of the club, the youngsters then continually recruiting from outside the club never works out in the long run.
You can't always produce one top youngster a year to shine, never mind the outlier that Leeds had with producing several within a very short period of time, even despite winning the championship last year and one could say they overperformed to expectations they were still in a transition phase. Still not seeing how this helps them in the short term, why not plan a replacement and then do what's required at season end
knockersbumpMKII wrote:But not every year can be a top recruitment year, there are so many factors including who is available, an unexpected injury to a top player, someone who retires or wants to leave to go elsewhere (like Ryan Hall) and if you're focusing on the core of the club, the youngsters then continually recruiting from outside the club never works out in the long run.
You can't always produce one top youngster a year to shine, never mind the outlier that Leeds had with producing several within a very short period of time, even despite winning the championship last year and one could say they overperformed to expectations they were still in a transition phase. Still not seeing how this helps them in the short term, why not plan a replacement and then do what's required at season end
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