Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:38 am
Kosh
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People have to bear in mind that back in the really dark days of the club's history we didn't have internet forums or social media for people to air their views on (or at least not as easily accessible and well used). The internet is an amplifier for bad news/misery/rage so id almost always not a true reflection of the feelings of the majority of fans. Not to mention that only a tiny fraction of any club's fanbase posts on RLFans.
In short, using this forum or social media as an indicator for anything is a really bad idea.
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Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:43 am
the artist
International Board Member
Joined: Jan 16 2003 Posts: 6734 Location: At the cider bus, Worthy Farm, Somerset
Obviously the op wasn't around in the mid to late seventies, or even the Lloyd era .Both much more worrying. Lack of social media then of course, so fans could only vent their frustrations in the pub, work or at games. bit of an overreaction this thread I feel
Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:51 am
rodney_trotter
International Star
Joined: Mar 28 2012 Posts: 277
Kosh wrote:People have to bear in mind that back in the really dark days of the club's history we didn't have internet forums or social media for people to air their views on (or at least not as easily accessible and well used). The internet is an amplifier for bad news/misery/rage so id almost always not a true reflection of the feelings of the majority of fans. Not to mention that only a tiny fraction of any club's fanbase posts on RLFans.
In short, using this forum or social media as an indicator for anything is a really bad idea.
I was waiting for someone to point this out. For me it's a good comment and I totally agree
Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:12 pm
BP1
Player Coach
Joined: Sep 04 2005 Posts: 1148 Location: In the land of wishful thinking once more. Patiently waiting for our time to finally arrive.
No of course it isn't, not even close.
1965-75 was probably the worst period in the club's history. I was very very young at that time but I do know that attendances actually dipped below a thousand for one game.
1994-99 is the worst period in my time of supporting the club, enlivened only by the promotion year of '97. That period culminated in the single worst season that I have yet witnessed as an Fc fan, the disasterous year of 1999 which ended with the club very nearly disappearing altogether.
I would admit that the time since 2006 has been frustrating but that's all it is. This has been amplified by the modern day phenomenon of social media which is simply the old style pub banter on a wider more accessible scale.
As for Pearson refusing to play anymore and take his ball home, how old do you think he is? 4!! He's invested a significant amount of cash into the club and I highly doubt he's about to walk away for nothing just because a few people on an internet forum have said yah boo sucks to him. I think you find he's made of sterner stuff than that.
As for the OP's assertion that the fan base is the root of all the club's ills, that is clearly stuff and nonsense. Successful clubs are built on vision, organization and hard work, factors which have been sorely missing these last eight years. In less than ten years we've slipped from being a couple of signings away from being a genuine powerhouse in the game to our current situation of seemingly perpetual mid/lower table mediocrity. How do you expect the fan base to react? Stand up and clap like performing seals!
If the team play well, the reaction is usually good, if they perform badly then that sense of frustration which has built up over the last eight years tends to boil to the surface again.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but the original post in this thread reads like another in an increasingly puerile series of posts.
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Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:17 pm
Ian P
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Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 12768
We have had a lot worse in the last forty years ............
Back then it was a shortage of money/fans thats not the problem now is it.
We had a long period of false dawns under the last administration, too much jam tomorrow and when they left and AP took over we all got a renewed faith in the future. Trouble was we had a few recruitment mess ups, a management clearly out of its depth at just about every level. Most of us can see the main problem and have little faith left in anyone's ability to improve the situation. We lurch from one home goal to the next, players leaving and others coming in on far to regular basis, no stability and players seem to fall in and out of favour for no apparent logical reason.
This club has one chance left for next seasons pass sales, a storming end run in the super 8s and/or sack the coach and get in someone who knows how to coach and manage, media and command respect amongst the fans.
Because I can thousands walking away on a regular basis from buying a season pass, many like me will continue to attend and not attend if it gets like it has/is. Once these people start staying away a slide down is almost unavoidable, some may blame those fans for staying away. At the end of the day too many things have pulls on people entertainment money and Rugby League is slowly strangling itself. The games future is bleak, SKY viewing figures are dropping , crowds are dropping and the whole game from the kids upwards is dying.
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Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:03 am
Seph
Player Coach
Joined: Jun 09 2007 Posts: 283 Location: With the rest of the Happy Clappers!
Ian P wrote:We have had a lot worse in the last forty years ............
Back then it was a shortage of money/fans thats not the problem now is it.
We had a long period of false dawns under the last administration, too much jam tomorrow and when they left and AP took over we all got a renewed faith in the future. Trouble was we had a few recruitment mess ups, a management clearly out of its depth at just about every level. Most of us can see the main problem and have little faith left in anyone's ability to improve the situation. We lurch from one home goal to the next, players leaving and others coming in on far to regular basis, no stability and players seem to fall in and out of favour for no apparent logical reason.
This club has one chance left for next seasons pass sales, a storming end run in the super 8s and/or sack the coach and get in someone who knows how to coach and manage, media and command respect amongst the fans.
Because I can thousands walking away on a regular basis from buying a season pass, many like me will continue to attend and not attend if it gets like it has/is. Once these people start staying away a slide down is almost unavoidable, some may blame those fans for staying away. At the end of the day too many things have pulls on people entertainment money and Rugby League is slowly strangling itself. The games future is bleak, SKY viewing figures are dropping , crowds are dropping and the whole game from the kids upwards is dying.
Yep, totally right Ian.
But let's look on the bright side. We have a club. We play in a beautiful stadium. We have young players excited and motivated to play for FC. We have genuine World Class players signing next year. We have the most passionate fans in the game and, most importantly, we are Hull FC....unique and with 150 years history. We have had difficult periods in the recent past but this isn't on par the depths of the pat.
Frank Pritchard or Shane Endacott?! Rob Danby or Mahe Fonua?
People need to bang their head against a wall and remember where we are now.
Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:13 am
Carmine Galante
International Star
Joined: Oct 21 2013 Posts: 65
It's more frustrating then 98-99 because in those days everything was wrong off the field, things are not like that now, or didn't need to be. I take the point about Pearson going, but he has to realise very quickly that his stupid decisions are ruining the club and it's so obvious. The coach being the big one. Pearson moans about the lack of talent coming through, but we've had a sprinkling of a few good young players he's wasted, and more worrying we have a brilliant 19s side that will be completely wasted on Radford. The farce with the merger will mean that we'll probablly never see a young player come through the ranks again or at least for the foreseeable future (the concept is not a bad one but logistics and the uncertaincy of it all will take years to iron out). Again he moans about attendance's, but attendances's are reflective of what happens on the field, a new coach would at least encourage some stay aways back and give the side a fighting chance.
If he wants to stay pig headed and not lose face that's up to him, he'll lose money and we'll lose our club, or as we know it now anyways. It's very depressing at the moment though, on the face it might not seem so bad but it's hard not to feel disillusioned when you think what could have been, and how easy we could get back in track but seem unwilling to do so.
Post subject: Re: Is this the worst period of our clubs history?
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:58 am
Jake the Peg
International Chairman
Joined: Mar 22 2007 Posts: 30477
pearson's biggest mistake was piissing off allam. It has made things difficult on so many levels but mainly it has completely ruined any chance we have of leveraging our use of the best stadium in SL. For a supposed savvy businessman he sure makes some monumental fukk ups
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