Can't take anything away from Salford , Who I though were excellent in all the things missing from Hull performance . Great support play , Line speed was twice as quick as ours , Offloads totally killed us .

Perhaps Adam Pearson is part of the problem

Just hope Wakefield stay firmly in the basement. Saints are hurting and I’d love us to twist the knife but we can’t even tie our laces as it stands. As others have said, a few need dropping.



Unfair to single out any individual but what in fook is Ellis actually coaching? Defence is organisation and attitude and we’ve got neither.

If we're using a meat cooking analogy I'd say we are Aldi value burgers, just about defrosted.

Well played Salford, some very entertaining free flowing RL though obviously aided by such an abject defensive display from Hull.



Some of the attempts at tackling were pathetic and Smith has a huge job on his hands to lift this rabble for Friday night which has the makings of another 60/70 point mauling.



Lovodua looked a great prospect early last year but I'm afraid to say he offers very little. Lane isn't good enough, Evans is another waste of a quota spot and McIntosh tries but looks nothing like the player he was at Huddersfield.Taylor and Houghton are finished.



Gonna be a long season and hopefully the club are already looking at a squad overhaul for 2024.

The traditional mid season collapse has started early.



Lets face it we have some very average players who when faced with a bit of adversity throw the towel in.



I don't get the booing of Sneyd at all. Some fans have short memories. He should be applauded for what he's done for us.

We were gash today but as per usual people just try blame same players. Clifford was probably our only decent player on the day and Mcintosh was probably one of our least . Bloke stopped about 4/5 tries and all the breaks were inside of him.



I’m ready to write Evans off, bloke has a peach of an offload but plods the ball up. Just need more.



Jordan Lane wouldn’t get in the wakey side on this seasons showing. They went straight through him for a penalty tap.



Think smith needs to get the hatchet out this season. These players probably need moving on so we can refresh



Evans, houghton, Taylor, Scott, lovodua, griffin, shaul, Dwyer.



I love joeys versatility but quota player needs to be in 13 every week I think



Yeah, Dwyer is class going forward but a liability in D and we just can’t carry him



Cam Scott & Jordan lane have never kicked on from promising 19 year olds. Think the club needs to wonder why no youth hits their potential.



I love Carlos and savelio as players but maybe theyneeds looking at. Hardly on the pitch for 2 years and age is against Carlos



We probably need to try unearth some gems from championship who will be desperate to make it. Far too many players in this side willing to coast.



Performance was awful today and genuinely looked like fash was only one bothered, he looked broken on the side line



Next season we need



2 props

3 back rowers (one superstar)

2 hookers

1 Centre (if we offload Carlos)



And that’s probably bare minimum

A disgusting peformance today, Salford played well but we didnt look up for it from the off and some of the attempted tackles were an absolute joke.



About half the squad can go for me, either too slow, too injury prone or just average in all aspects. I can only hope we do some good scouting and get our recruitment right for 2024.

You've given me an idea for my tea.

2 new wingers too, McIntosh is just average and offers nothing an academy winger couldent offer, Swift always looks one tackle away from an injury layoff and if his wages are high can be better spent elsewhere. Neither were the worst out there today however.

Absolutely correct. The amount that's been invested for years has yielded very little in terms of real quality.

Tbf its too soon to tell with the latest round of investment (Shenton in as coach etc) but it is disapointing that 5 years ago we had a young team running about at Stadium Australia and the future seemed bright, and all theyve turned into is forgettable squad players and a few have retired altogether.

There can and should be no excuses for that embarrassment of a performance. Not taking anything away from Salford but even Wakey would have put a score on against us today. Salford had to do nothing other than run at the gaping holes in our line.

There was no effort, desire or intensity is any aspect of the game today. Passive and abject in defence and not prepared to work hard enough.

Think half a dozen players need to be dropped but who do we have to cover that many drops? Lane, Houghton, Taylor, Lovodua, Evans were abysmal and not far behind Dwyer and Scott. I’ve been critical of McIntosh but to be fair to him today he was much better defensively and not one of the issues today.

I like Lovodua but he hasn’t stepped up and looks less than average along with Evans which is is a big hit in terms of lack of quality in the quota. Houghton & Taylor sadly are finished as top level players.

As for Lane what has happened to him as he looks million miles away from the player that showed a lot of promise. There are players in the championship that would offer more than the ones named above which is telling.

As great s player as Ellis was if he’s the defensive coach then you have to ask what is he doing?

Smith has an awful lot of work on his hands and I’d even say some players need to be moved out with immediate effect.

It felt like the kind of performance that group of players put in to signify they've had enough of a coach and would like a change...surely we're not at that stage in the cycle already

Not d if Lane misses the rest of the season. I wouldn't even subject Newcastle to his abject performances.



Taylor, Houghton, Griffin, Shaul. What's the point. Loads of cap tied up in players past it.



Evans and Lovodua are a waste of a quota spot.



Had big reservations about the Dwyer signing. Reason Leeds went with O'connor instead.



Not d if everyone ooc gets released.



Thought the 2 Aussie boys had a dig, but I'm clutching at straws....



We need what Powell did at Wire last season. Chop and change this season

with heavyinvestment for 24. Not sure if Pearson has the appetite to tear up contracts though.

We have the worst wing combination in the league. Swift is a trier but nothing more and Macintosh is just awful.

The problem with tearing up contracts is they still count on the cap, so we'd end up losing a player and not replacing them. Getting rid of one or two as a statement to the rest could work though, and even just 1 or 2 leaving can alter the dressing room culture.

Lane, Evans and Mcintosh should be no where near the side.



Would rather play Litten, Laidlaw and Staverly.



Evans and Lovodua are such waste of imports.

At least the England Ra-Ra's have come out in sympathy with us.

Didn't think they did now with the cap being live?

I think there's only going to be one winner this time around .

As poor as we were today, I have to say Salford play some really good rugby.

Reckon we will have probably 2 players banned for next week.

New 3 year deals for shaul, Griffin, lane, Taylor, Houghton, lovodua and Evans?

Only 3 years?

Have to say although Hodgson has gone now he has left us with a legacy of poor signings.

I will even add Sutcliffe to the list because he is just average and we need strike centres with pace.

Once Manu Mau was released it was obvious our second row would be a weak link trying to make do with Lane and Griffin whilst Savelio gets fully fit.

We know there should be a major clearout at the end of the season and this should make some of the decisions a lot easier

That said we still have a major recuitment problem for 2024 when we need two big mobile second rows and front rows.at least one strike centre and wing with real pace and thats without knowing whether our two new Australian players will stay.