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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:33 pm 
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We've had 9 permanent coaches in SL. This is taken from the HDM and RL Project and I haven't checked the veracity of the stats so they may not be accurate but here we go;

1st, Shaun McRae: 2000-04, 56%Played 158 - Won 89 - Drew 8 - Lost 61
2nd, John Kear: 2005-06, 55%Played 43 - Won 24 - Drew 2 - Lost 17
3rd, Peter Sharp: 2006-08, 55%Played 68 - Won 38 - Drew 3 - Lost 27
4th, Peter Gentle: 2012-13, 53%Played 64 - Won 34 - Drew 4 - Lost 26
5th, Lee Radford: 2014-2020, 50%Played 202 - Won 101 - Drew 3 - Lost 98
6th, Richard Agar: 2006 & 2008-11, 46%Played 108 - Won 50 - Drew 1 - Lost 57
7th, Brett Hodgson: 2021-22, 41%Played 53 - Won 22 - Drew 1 - Lost 30
8th, Tony Smith: 2023 - to date 35% Played 34 - Won 12 - Lost 22
9th, Peter Walsh: 1998-99, 28%Played 39 - Won 11 - Drew 0 - Lost 28

*Andy Last: 2020, 57%Played 14 - Won 8 - Lost 6

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:40 pm 
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Marcus's Bicycle wrote:We've had 9 permanent coaches in SL. This is taken from the HDM and RL Project and I haven't checked the veracity of the stats so they may not be accurate but here we go;

1st, Shaun McRae: 2000-04, 56%Played 158 - Won 89 - Drew 8 - Lost 61
2nd, John Kear: 2005-06, 55%Played 43 - Won 24 - Drew 2 - Lost 17
3rd, Peter Sharp: 2006-08, 55%Played 68 - Won 38 - Drew 3 - Lost 27
4th, Peter Gentle: 2012-13, 53%Played 64 - Won 34 - Drew 4 - Lost 26
5th, Lee Radford: 2014-2020, 50%Played 202 - Won 101 - Drew 3 - Lost 98
6th, Richard Agar: 2006 & 2008-11, 46%Played 108 - Won 50 - Drew 1 - Lost 57
7th, Brett Hodgson: 2021-22, 41%Played 53 - Won 22 - Drew 1 - Lost 30
8th, Tony Smith: 2023 - to date 35% Played 34 - Won 12 - Lost 22
9th, Peter Walsh: 1998-99, 28%Played 39 - Won 11 - Drew 0 - Lost 28

*Andy Last: 2020, 57%Played 14 - Won 8 - Lost 6

Lies, damn lies and statistics?


The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:49 pm 
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Hullrealist wrote:The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17


You've got to include the dross either side of those years that radders also served up

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:17 pm 
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mwindass wrote:People, me included, thought Pearson wouldn't sack Hodgson. We're a worse team now. Something will have to give eventually.


I wonder how much of that was to do with it being the end of the season and the need to start selling passes soon to a despondent fanbase that was in need of a boost, plus the fact that Smith was available.

Whereas now we are still at the start of a season so it's different circumstances. There's no relegation and given our provisional IMG grading, I think it's pretty safe to say that we are in Super League next year. What it probably really depends on right now is if Pearson genuinely believes what he said in pre-season about us contending for the playoffs because we're a long way away from playoff contention based on results so far. If Pearson has genuine belief that the playoffs are achievable then he's probably going to have to act sooner rather than later because, as you say, something will have to give eventually.

But if he was just blowing smoke to boost pass sales then he will probably give Smith time to turn things around and see where we are as the season progresses.

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Hullrealist wrote:The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17


People tend to gloss over a lot of Radders tenure because of the cup victories. The years prior to that were pretty woeful and so was 18/19 and the start of 20. Although he was dealt a poor hand in 18 due to that injury crisis.

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
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Roam Ranger wrote:People tend to gloss over a lot of Radders tenure because of the cup victories. The years prior to that were pretty woeful and so was 18/19 and the start of 20. Although he was dealt a poor hand in 18 due to that injury crisis.


I’d argue 2016-2019 probably still better sides than any of those coaches ever had. We had an unreal side and only managed to win a cup that’s realistically a lottery (although we did do it with the worst draws possible)

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It's criminal the 16/17 squads didn't at least get to a Grand Final in my view.

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Hullrealist wrote:I’d argue 2016-2019 probably still better sides than any of those coaches ever had. We had an unreal side and only managed to win a cup that’s realistically a lottery (although we did do it with the worst draws possible)


16/17 definitely the strongest sides we have had in SL since 05/06. I always thought when I saw that 16 squad assembled in particular that something special was on the cards for us. 18 is difficult to judge as we were decimated by injury but it was essentially the same squad as 16/17 and I think we were competing the first half of that season before it all caught up with us. Then in 19 it looked like injuries and age had taken their toll on a few.

HU8HFC wrote:It's criminal the 16/17 squads didn't at least get to a Grand Final in my view.


Agreed. 16 was probably the best chance but then again maybe it was 17 when they had the previous years experience under their belt and should have kicked on.

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:47 pm 
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Pretty grim reading on here, but sadly all too true !

That did look like a not trying show on Saturday, no line speed, woeful tackle technique, rubbish kicking, no attacking shape ...............

It is clear now that the squad rebuild aimed to destroy the 'cancer' in the club has failed. Really feel for DH, sure he is on a much reduced salary this year, the plan was supposedly to use him sparingly before moving him into coaching ? BUT we didn't sign the players to enable that so he gets flogged to death one more season !!

Hoped the replacements would be improvements or at least similar to those leaving, BUT Tindall for Swift ? Pele for Satae ? Brown for Clifford ? Ese Ese & Ashworth look okay but the rest are just downgrades.

Money clearly the issue, not sure changing the coach will help ?

All part of the despair of being an FC fan.

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 Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:21 pm 
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Dave K. wrote:Think Smith has the next two games and has to win one of them, but I don't think we will, I think we will have a battling defeat next week, fans happy with the effort etc (which is getting really boring), then battered in the derby the week after.

Think Pearson has 3 choices,

Backs Smith, gives him some money to bring players in (pay off Carlos, brings in a 7) and tries to sign a domestic centre.
Sacks Smith and brings in someone like Wane, give him 2 years to sort out the culture, but task him with finding a replacement like he did at Wigan with Peat.
He puts the club up for sale.

If he doesn't do one of these things, think we are in big trouble next year, pass sales down, we will start to lose the like of Staveley and Martin, constant decline and could see the club heading the way of Bradford.

I've defended Pearson and he has gone some very good things, but he has just about lost all of the good will.


The fact that Pearson hasnt sacked Smith this morning shows what a weak position he is actually in.
Little point in giving Smith two more games which will prove nothing.
The club is in a very deep hole and Pearson knows it.
His options are do i try and galvanize the fans by taking action and finding the money to pay Tinkering Tony and his crew off or do run with the current state of affairs knowing the club will not be relegated and fans money is in the bank.
Seems to me his financial restrictions will steer him to make the wrong choice again


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