knockersbumpMKII wrote:Well that's pretty clear, but why did you think anything that comes out of the HDM is accurate and how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years that still wouldn't tally up, not even close.
1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k). So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game. In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5. If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.
Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?
ccs wrote:1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k). So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game. In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5. If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.
You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths. Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be arsed and are now making yourself look foolish.
Here you go 2011 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557 2012 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515 2013 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355 2014 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891 2015 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417 We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case. If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!
ccs wrote:1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k). So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game. In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5. If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.
So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser
Jake the Peg wrote:So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser
You're as bad as bumpy - read what I said.
We've lost 10k fans over a period of 4 years for every single game.
1k down 4 years ago means a total of 4k didn't go over a period of 4 years to every game. Another 1k down 3 years ago means 3k didn't go over a period of 3 years to every game. etc
Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game.
And if bumpy is reading this, I was replying to your comment...
bumpy wrote:how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years....
so you need to go back to school and learn how to read.
Hope you don't feel too foolish, but you must be used to it by now.
Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?
The problem is Pearson forgets we have been here longer than him, some more than others. Look at the team we had under Agar, it was pitiful to watch. Yet here we are years down the line with another clown in charge. I really don't want to be pessimistic but the majority of fans are walking cause of the coach, the new signings look great but if the captain of the ship should really be down in the galley cooking breakfast then the whole job is b%ll%ed. As someone has already said if you brought a top coach in tomorrow he would sell a couple of thousand passes without even opening his mouth. Look at Cas, man for man who would you swap from our team, not many, yet they consistently perform at a much higher level and compete with an inferior team. That's because they have a coach
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Armavinit wrote:Read the post, I wrote "not a good comparison, I admit". I'm not trying to deflect anything onto anyone. Hate to admit it but I'm a secret admirer of "He who shall not be named" for his dedication and support of his team. We could do with a few like minded sponsors at FC. We've got enough knee jerk responders of our own on this board, without you chiming in. Sorry for any offence caused.
] Why apologise? Typical chip on shoulder vitriolic response from bitter and twisted rovers fan.
knockersbumpMKII wrote:You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths. Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be arsed and are now making yourself look foolish.
Here you go 2011 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557 2012 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515 2013 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355 2014 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891 2015 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417 We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case. If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!
I think what ccs means is something like this (using totally hypothetical figures as I cba looking anything up):
2011 - ave att of 14,000 per game 2012 - 13,000 2013 - 12,000 2014 - 11,000 2015 - 10,000
Using again a completely made up figures of £15 per person and 13 home games a year: vs 2015's average: 2011 - 4,000 x 13 x £15 2012 - 3,000 x 13 x £15 2013 - 2,000 x 13 x £15 2014 - 1,000 x 13 x £15
So, he's saying over a 4-year period, 2015 vs 2011 if we'd have kept gate receipts at 2011's level, we'd have £x more in the bank. Not saying he or the figures are correct mind, just that's how he's done his workings
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Ultimately im disappointed with the team, more so with pearson sticking with radford, still not cutting it for me
It wont stop me renewing next season as i am thankful we gave a team to support atm, its easy to criticise pearson on his decisions interviews etc but ateod nobody else would have bought the club or looks like buying the club
Weve had lloyd who was far worse than Pearson, kath and her cronies who had no intention of taking the club futher or investing into it, out of those who would people want?
You cant force people to buy passes but whilst not agreeing with what pearson said about fans killing the club if we dont turn up, we are part of that jigsaw that keeps the club going, so in a way we are hurting our club by not renewing, which everyone has the right not too, but our investment is atm a fraction of what pearson has put in
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