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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:35 pm 
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VerbalKint wrote:Please explain to me what part of that statement is un-true,?

Looking from the outside in,would you agree that JR has done alot of good things for the club and a few not so good things?.Imo i think he has done a very good job of the day to day running of the club and has kept it afloat.That tells me he has been doing his job properly.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:36 pm 
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VerbalKint wrote:People like to fence sit until something happens then they can say i told you so, when JR gets his marching orders everyone will be on here listing his short comings.

Or, alternatively, some people accept that we don't have all the facts and would rather not jump to judgement.

BTW - nobody is saying that Rule doesn't have shortcomings. Just not necessarily as many as you and others think he has.






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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:39 pm 
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VerbalKint wrote:Please explain to me what part of that statement is un-true,?

Presided.

Also the recruitment part. Agar would have targeted players he wanted to sign and the BoD would have told him which he could have. Rule may have done a chunk of the negotiating but I seriously doubt that he had any influence over who we signed.






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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:41 pm 
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Kosh wrote:Presided.

Also the recruitment part. Agar would have targeted players he wanted to sign and the BoD would have told him which he could have. Rule may have done a chunk of the negotiating but I seriously doubt that he had any influence over who we signed.


Or what they were paid






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 Post subject: Re: In Adam we trust - beautiful words
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:01 pm 
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Kosh wrote:Or, alternatively, some people accept that we don't have all the facts and would rather not jump to judgement.

BTW - nobody is saying that Rule doesn't have shortcomings. Just not necessarily as many as you and others think he has.


Spot On.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:23 pm 
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Jake the Peg wrote:Judging by pearson's statement then I'd have said that the club has performed poorly in pretty much every area but profitability, which it hasn't done that well in considering the chronic underinvestment. Seems the reason we've been posting profits is because we've been penny pinching everywhere to the detriment of the club as a whole. If you think that's some kind of vindication of rule's capabilities then you have a different view on things than me


I would be more inclined to say that it had underperformed in several ways that all relate to the playing aspect, but it's a matter of opinion. Yes, the main positive is the profitability, but there is also our strong franchise position as well as hearing our community work receiving a lot of praise.

The bottom line is that contrary to what many fans seem to think, Rule's job is not to run the club as the fans would like, it's to run it in the way the shareholders want. I therefore see an inconsistency in saying that the old board wanted only to make as much money as they could, and to then say that Rule is poor at his job. If the former is true, then Rule has done his job very well. His new employer would seem to want different things, and Rule may well be just as capable of delivering them.

I'm not saying that Rule is fantastic, or even definitely the right man long term. I'm just saying that I think it's strange to call for his head when we don't know what he has and hasn't been responsible for and the room he's had to work with to do it. He's being tarred with the same brush as the outgoing board when he wasn't a true part of them or one of their peers. Pearson is the man in the right position to make the call, not us.


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Jake the Peg wrote:All of this defence for rule gives me a sense of de ja vu when people were defending first agar and then the club owners pre pearson's take over


I've criticised Agar and the board for long enough, I just think that Rule is potentially a different case.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:27 pm 
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carl_spackler wrote:I would be more inclined to say that it had underformed in several ways that all relate to the playing aspect, but it's a matter of opinion. Yes, the main positive is the profitability, but there is also our strong franchise position as well as hearing our community work receiving a lot of praise.

The bottom line is that contrary to what many fans seem to think, Rule's job is not to run the club as the fans would like, it's to run it in the way the shareholders want. I therefore see an inconsistency in saying that the old board wanted only to make as much money as they could, and to then say that Rule is poor at his job. If the former is true, then Rule has done his job very well. His new employer would seem to want different things, and Rule may well be just as capable of delivering them.

I'm not saying that Rule is fantastic, or even definitely the right man long term. I'm just saying that I think it's strange to call for his head when we don't know what he has and hasn't been responsible for and the room he's had to work with to do it. He's being tarred with the same brush as the outgoing board when he wasn't a true part of them or one of their peers. Pearson is the man in the right position to make the call, not us.


Well said :CLAP: Let's see what AP thinks of him, he'll make the right decision.

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 Post subject: Re: In Adam we trust - beautiful words
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Raised Elbow wrote:Looking from the outside in,would you agree that JR has done alot of good things for the club and a few not so good things?.Imo i think he has done a very good job of the day to day running of the club and has kept it afloat.That tells me he has been doing his job properly.


I would agree with most of that :thumb:

I have never got on JR back I think he has done his best and many good things have been done. He is part of the old regime and I think that the new King will appoint his own man.

He has his own PA now entrenched in the Hull FC offices






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carl_spackler wrote:Depends. I posted on a previous thread that I suspect Hull City pay Adam Pearson more than Hull FC pay James Rule, in which case it would make financial sense for Pearson to stay where he is and leave Rule in his position. He'll still have ultimate control.


Depends if he is working for the money or for the love of what he's doing. Seems like the sort of guy who will want to be close to the action in his own club. He may love working at City and not dream of giving that up of course.






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